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Sedat Canbaz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:37 am
Hello Aleks,

1st of all,
Thanks for pointing this out...

Btw, can you inform Me please,
Which Cutechess GUI ver do you use?

And that's true...I am aware..even if settings are at 30s+0.5s
On my system, Cutechess records all Bullet games at 30 sec
Only if running at Blitz, such as 2m+1s then its records as it is
[TimeControl "120+1"]

I wonder, is this can be as a GUI bug on my system or..?!
Because I used several different Cutechess GUI vers and
And each time this issue happens..sure I refer if Bullet
But if Blitz, Rapid etc it is all right ! no any issue !!

E.g for references you can checl at Rapid 15m+3s:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... s-sf-pb-sc

For Blitz (2m+1s), where you will see again is all right:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-26

But anyhow, be aware also of that
I am sure that all latest games played with increment (30sec+0.5sec)!
But I agree here and very strange that games are recorded at 30sec
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-37

One thing more,
I prefer Cutechess v1.2.0, since on newer beta versions,
Many of the SF-based engines forfeits on time, but under
Cutechess 1.2.0, it is stable e.g no games lost on time !

But this is also true, you will never know until you try,
Sure I refer running tours on my tournament machine!

Greetings

Hi. I use cutechess 1.2 portable version for years, it's working fine on my AMD (windows 7) and on my Ryzen (windows 10). For your tournaments, do you use batch command file, or you writing commands manually (via the GUI)? I'm doing everything manually, batch file didn't work for me because I'm missing some .dll files, plus it taking too long to write every engine's names, paths to books & syzygy etc. In your case I think it's a GUI's bug.
Regarding your tests with increment 1 sec or more, everything is fine. Often times, engine's losses (by time forfeit) are caused by the lack of increments, it's normal for cutechess, I had same problem in the beginning.

Skynet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:37 pm
Hi. I use cutechess 1.2 portable version for years, it's working fine on my AMD (windows 7) and on my Ryzen (windows 10). For your tournaments, do you use batch command file, or you writing commands manually (via the GUI)? I'm doing everything manually, batch file didn't work for me because I'm missing some .dll files, plus it taking too long to write every engine's names, paths to books & syzygy etc. In your case I think it's a GUI's bug.
Regarding your tests with increment 1 sec or more, everything is fine. Often times, engine's losses (by time forfeit) are caused by the lack of increments, it's normal for cutechess, I had same problem in the beginning.

Hello Alex,

You know..we use different hardwares, systems etc and etc.
But I see you use same Cutechess 1.2.0 vers as mine.. that is good )

Well, I run tours and use the settings, provided by Cutechess GUI,

Btw, here are my old used settings (on my Ryzen hardware), shared last year:
https://mega.nz/file/OohnhIRb#-uCYE9Abt ... GeJ2fnZU0M

After all, on my other machine (2x Epyc),
Many Bullet tours are played via concurrent: 64
I wonder here..via high-concurrency may play
As role over that the reason may be using fast
Time controls or not ? sure only via tests can be cleared..

And as I stated earlier(according to my experience),
Only Cutechess 1.2.0 seems to be best (in case no time forfeits)
Others (new vers) are not so stable as 1.2.0, sure I mean not
Very frequent, but in 100 games, we may see 1 time forfeits
Sure I refer if playing at 30s+0.5s, via 1m+0.6s is all right
I mean no time forfeits under all Cutechess series...

Btw, Deeds stated (on Openchess) about why 30sec is recording
If I am not wrong, just because I use pre-configurated settings

I will see later.. via scratch configurations what will be influences
Who knows? maybe Deeds is right here ) about why 30s is recording
In games ...I mean despite even if by GUI is set to 30sec+0.5sec

Greetings

Hello Chess Friends,

Be aware of that too please, chess is
Important, but not all (for my side)!
There are also other important factors,
Where I pay attention.. just one example,
- To live in honest way! and once more
I will not allow anyone here to call Me
As Liar.. if nothing else I've done my best
To fight against injustices.. and now
I hope that you see better the picture!?

Only one thing, what I agree with Deeds,
Some members are interested in only games,
Or only in downloading engines, books etc.
My respect, but again and again we should not
Concentrate only over CHESS, what about attacks?
What about to be in Fun? What is required to be..?
Can you anyone explain, introduce to all of us?

If still not so clear,
Without SCCT (Sedat) you'd not see non of similar
Tours..plus millions of book + eng games as well!
Sure all with your BIG support.. reality is reality!
Thank you again...

Sure, I admit too that, no doubt that
There will better 'Sedats' who will do much better
Job than Me.. One Head is Better than Two but
Meanwhile, let's hope also that the new
Generation to not take as good example: Deeds!
Here are some good lessons, you'll gain not gain,
Not my BIG problem really..Because I am 26+ years
In eng + book tours, ao I think a long marathon..and
From this moment I am not going to prove you...)

Btw,
My next plan: to drop my tempo..e.g in next days,
I am planing to be in short Holiday!) I need to rest..
And I deserved it, right ?! Plus via non-stop work is
Impossible..in the end, I am a human, not ROBOT!
Forget everything,
Even ROBOTS are needed to be in maintenance,
To be changed the old models to new ones etc.

In other words (when I will be not active..)
Many friends here has a fast PC..and everyone is free
To run tours at any cond. no problem by my side!)

And without not mentioning this I can't too:
Just for accusing, blaming 'Rybka is clone of Fruit' is
Discussed, argued for years over chess forums..
Is it worth?

I may give other example, just for blaming, cheating:
Carlsen - Niemann controversy is still argued by many!
Again I ask, is it worth?

Sure my job is free..who cares? anyhow I do not feel
Any regret..and I stand behind what I said before!

Greetings

One more posting about all over )

1st of all, what happened in latest days?
Once more I noticed that 'chess' is not all!
Because going in fight furthermore with Deeds,
Really will be totally meaningless! Moreover,
Since today, I realized to take a good relax! Btw,
Thanks to Deeds (for his attacks...) for this!!
You may see, finely I am thankful to him too !)
And here I am not joking..

Sure after some time, when I will be active again,
I hope to run some tours, but with new conditions..
At least I plan/hope to spend less efforts for chess!
Sometimes I wonder too,
Is it worth to spend so much efforts and all for free?

Continuing...

About learning future engines, this should be known too:
I loved them.. be sure! but I stopped testing them (as learning,)
As main reason: for more fair conditions !!
Since I test various Top engines, which are not capable
To learn...correct Me please...if I am wrong here?!

Is this all? not of course, just imagine again,
I build long-run rating with only learning future engines etc.
And what about in case of new entries (in Gauntlet mode)?
I mean the pre-learned already ones vs non-learned ones?
This is as other question but
How much these matches will be fair? you may know,
For long-run time ratings:
I prefer round-robin + gauntlet via many eng players and
The target is also to produce many eng or book games too!
For more detailed info (in case of Gauntlet), you can read:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-1

And I hope also now that,
You see my point of view about why I prefer
Usually as non-learning (for all) ! if still
Not so clear, just for more fair conditions!

Is this all? not of course, just imagine again,
You are in my shoes and you've a machine as mine,
What you will do? Non-ending tours and for life-time?
In other words, What about real (non-chess) life?

That's why easy to talk, but hard to manage all over,
Sure I refer if you are in love, and interested in chess..

Thanks for reading and understanding!

Greetings )

Meanwhile,
And without to not mention this I can't too !)

What a pity also that
Some have difficulties to see 'real' picture!
Maybe they'd say: do not worry, ignore etc.

Ok..if so..may I ask to all members here:
If a madman throws stones to your home repeatedly?
- Would you continue to 'praise' this madman?
- Would you continue to play 'chess' even while
All these stones are hitting your head?
- In other words, would you be in silence? as in Outskirts?

Easy to talk... Btw, I love pets much, maybe no one as here!
And exception my racing pigeons, I have a Sivas kangal dog!)
In short, the more I know people, the more I love my pets!


Greetings )

Sedat Canbaz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:51 pm Hello Alex,

You know..we use different hardwares, systems etc and etc.
But I see you use same Cutechess 1.2.0 vers as mine.. that is good )

Well, I run tours and use the settings, provided by Cutechess GUI,

Btw, here are my old used settings (on my Ryzen hardware), shared last year:
https://mega.nz/file/OohnhIRb#-uCYE9Abt ... GeJ2fnZU0M

After all, on my other machine (2x Epyc),
Many Bullet tours are played via concurrent: 64
I wonder here..via high-concurrency may play
As role over that the reason may be using fast
Time controls or not ? sure only via tests can be cleared..

And as I stated earlier(according to my experience),
Only Cutechess 1.2.0 seems to be best (in case no time forfeits)
Others (new vers) are not so stable as 1.2.0, sure I mean not
Very frequent, but in 100 games, we may see 1 time forfeits
Sure I refer if playing at 30s+0.5s, via 1m+0.6s is all right
I mean no time forfeits under all Cutechess series...

Btw, Deeds stated (on Openchess) about why 30sec is recording
If I am not wrong, just because I use pre-configurated settings

I will see later.. via scratch configurations what will be influences
Who knows? maybe Deeds is right here ) about why 30s is recording
In games ...I mean despite even if by GUI is set to 30sec+0.5sec

Greetings

Ok, so you are using .ini file for the cutechess, while I'm doing everything via GUI (as on picture, no batch or .ini files). Regarding concurrency, if you have eg 64 physical cores/ 128 threads, you can use concurrency 64 without problem, but if you'll use eg concurrency 80 (or something like that) in this case engine will use threads instead of cores. Anyway, we are using different settings maybe that's the problem.
https://ibb.co/5s2TyYj

Skynet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:29 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:51 pm Hello Alex,

You know..we use different hardwares, systems etc and etc.
But I see you use same Cutechess 1.2.0 vers as mine.. that is good )

Well, I run tours and use the settings, provided by Cutechess GUI,

Btw, here are my old used settings (on my Ryzen hardware), shared last year:
https://mega.nz/file/OohnhIRb#-uCYE9Abt ... GeJ2fnZU0M

After all, on my other machine (2x Epyc),
Many Bullet tours are played via concurrent: 64
I wonder here..via high-concurrency may play
As role over that the reason may be using fast
Time controls or not ? sure only via tests can be cleared..

And as I stated earlier(according to my experience),
Only Cutechess 1.2.0 seems to be best (in case no time forfeits)
Others (new vers) are not so stable as 1.2.0, sure I mean not
Very frequent, but in 100 games, we may see 1 time forfeits
Sure I refer if playing at 30s+0.5s, via 1m+0.6s is all right
I mean no time forfeits under all Cutechess series...

Btw, Deeds stated (on Openchess) about why 30sec is recording
If I am not wrong, just because I use pre-configurated settings

I will see later.. via scratch configurations what will be influences
Who knows? maybe Deeds is right here ) about why 30s is recording
In games ...I mean despite even if by GUI is set to 30sec+0.5sec

Greetings

Ok, so you are using .ini file for the cutechess, while I'm doing everything via GUI (as on picture, no batch or .ini files). Regarding concurrency, if you have eg 64 physical cores/ 128 threads, you can use concurrency 64 without problem, but if you'll use eg concurrency 80 (or something like that) in this case engine will use threads instead of cores. Anyway, we are using different settings maybe that's the problem.

Yes sure.. but be aware that my machine is based on
[Dual CPU] AMD EPYC 7B12, 128 Cores / 256 Threads

So via playing 64 concurrency (50% cpu usage, since SMT OFF),
Speed issue can't be considered such as to affect games records
As 30s

Btw, your screenshot is not visible by my side..maybe you can
Try to share to other site ... sure when you will have free time)

Greetings

Hello there,

I'm very pleased to announce that my holiday is filled with joyful,
Relaxation and quality time with loved ones! Air temps 5+ degrees,
Thermal natural water with temps: 40+ degrees ! In other words,
When life is harder, I've to be stronger... just for chess progress!

And please stay tuned...more info soon )

Best,
Sedat

Sedat Canbaz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:50 pm
Yes sure.. but be aware that my machine is based on
[Dual CPU] AMD EPYC 7B12, 128 Cores / 256 Threads

So via playing 64 concurrency (50% cpu usage, since SMT OFF),
Speed issue can't be considered such as to affect games records
As 30s

Btw, your screenshot is not visible by my side..maybe you can
Try to share to other site ... sure when you will have free time)

Greetings

No, the number of concurrency, or used cores (or speed of the engine) has nothing to do with game recording. Actually Cris/deeds is right, just delete the .ini file and do everything through the GUI, from scratch. In worse case you can turn back, btw the picture is visible now.

Hello there,

I'm very pleased to announce that my holiday is filled with joyful,
Relaxation and quality time with loved ones! Air temps 5+ degrees,
Thermal natural water with temps: 40+ degrees ! In other words,
When life is harder, I've to be stronger... just for chess progress!

And please stay tuned...more info soon )

Best,
Sedat
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I wish you a pleasant holiday, full of joy, happiness and relaxation.

All the best to you and your family.