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Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:20 pm**

UPDATE

1st of all,
BIG thanks to Mr. Tanick Ramz (OrgZ), for his support over SCCT tours!
I've seen a lot of programmers, but his work belongs to one of the best!

Just via my yesterday's request ...and in very short time,
OrgZ is managed to help here again..that means a lot !!

And what is new,
Neon Tetra v2 is a new candidate engine, which supports BIN + CTG
And as most important is that, very close in strength to Raubfish SC
And in same time Neon Tetra v2 includes the new updated CTG future,
E.g older SF-SCCT engine's CTG code seems to be buggy.. not sure exactly
What will be CTG influences with N. Tetra, but very soon will be clear..
But I expect, sure via CTG: Neon Tetra v2 will do better influences ...

Meanwhile, here are latest new strength results, as we see after 745
Out of 2000 games: 0.5 point diff. it seems they are close in strength..
Be aware too, Neon Tetra v2 is playing with move overhead 50, where
Raubfish SC via 200, e.g same values are used as in recent XXXVII CS !

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Score of Neon Tetra v2 vs Raubfisch GTZ SC: 75 - 74 - 596 [0.501]
...      Neon Tetra v2 playing White: 57 - 29 - 289  [0.537] 375
...      Neon Tetra v2 playing Black: 18 - 45 - 307  [0.464] 370
...      White vs Black: 102 - 47 - 596  [0.537] 745
Elo difference: 0.5 +/- 11.1, LOS: 53.3 %, DrawRatio: 80.0 %
745 of 2000 games finished.

Same conditions are used..as in recent XXXVII CS, exc.
Balsa + Unique openings are used to play...

GAMES: later will be shared, sorry here no free time for all
And thanks for your understanding...

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:48 pm**

UPDATE 2

1st test + 2 Elo (in favor for Neon Tetra v2)

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1   Neon Tetra v2  +160/-149/=1691 50.28%  1005.5/2000
2   Raubfish SC    +149/-160/=1691 49.73%   994.5/2000

Draw-Ratio is not so high: 84%

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2nd test + 3 Elo (in favor for Raubfish GTZ SC)

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1   Raubfisch GTZ SC  +202/-187/=1611 50.38%  1007.5/2000
2   Neon Tetra v2     +187/-202/=1611 49.63%   992.5/2000

Draw-Ratio is unbelievable, just: 80% ( very low draw record!)

Btw,
Did you ever see similar low draw records, to be produced by 3750+ NN ?
Oh pardon...once happened... produced by Perfect 16 book: 72% draws !!

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/zxQElT4a#y8POIrdwA ... aLYMcDJ8YQ

Final Conclusion (about CTG book formats under Cutechess):
- FUN is all right (e.g theirs produced draws are very low)
- Strength is all right (both almost identical in strength)
- Eng Stability is all right too (no crashes, time forfeits)
- CTG Stability is not all right (CTG code seems to be buggy)
E.g often is earlier out of book or playing the defeats..!

After all,
All the above important factors are enough ? not of course !!
In other words (sure for future tours and for more fair cond.):
Unfortunately CTG books out, only BIN books will be played!
Who knows..may be one day my good dream will become true,
But it's very clear also that not 'yet'

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:02 am**

Hello Chess Friends,

1st of all,
I would like to express my gratitude to all WCCC
Tournament Organizers, Engine, Book Authors...
For over long period time: 50 years (half-century)!!
And really sad that WCCC is coming to its end,
No doubt that it will be BIG miss for many of us!

Anyhow, I've good news, since a special day
Celebrating, mentioning 50 years of WCCC,
While SCCT has less active period: 27 years!
Anyhow I think that it's a long period of time,
Especially to be hold / managed by single TD!
As most important: no sponsors, donations etc.
Because 'chess' is my hobby...no more no less!!

In other words, a new tournament idea is born:
SCCT (25m + 10s) is coming soon and it will be
Adapted to WCCC's cond. sure here not all will
Be same.. such as some WCCC vers. are private...
However, it will be close for sure! as main difference
1st SCCT tour cond. will be much more fair, since
All will be played on same, but fast CPU machine!

To be more clear, for more fair + high-quality games,
All SCCT engine matches are planning to be played:

- 2x EPYC 7B12 (128 Cores / 256 Threads)
- New/Updated Balsa openings will be used,
Where each opening will be played 'twice'
- Ponder ON (thinking on opponent's turn)
- Slow Rapid Time Control: 25 min + 10 sec
- MP (4 Cores/Game), Hash: 4096 MB, etc.

PARTICIPANTS:
Arasan v24.2.2
Ares v1.005.2
Chiron 5
Deep Junior 13.3
Deep Shredder 13
Ginkgo (Fritz 19)
Jonny 4.00
Komodo Dragon 3.3
rofChade 3.1 NN
Rybka (Fritz 16)
ShashChess Santiago
The Baron 3.45
Tornado 9 NNUE
Zappa Mexico II

More Details / Tournament Rules:
• WCCC 2024's mostly + the frequent of last 5 years are picked..
• As alternative, since 1995: all WCCC's Former Champs are in!
Reason, older Winners are not compatible...required DOS OS
• Be aware too that each player will contain minimum 52 games
Btw here is another similarity 'number' to the years of WCCC !)
• GPU engine/s (e.g Lc0) is out, simply due to parallel matches
• Instead of Own books: Balsa openings, due to many engines
Released as without own books or many of them as old dated,
Where Balsa rarely make mistakes, proved over years: Details
Sure for better ideas, opinions..please feel free to Contact Me

Meanwhile,
Any guess? e.g which engines will manage to be in Top ?)

And wishing good luck to all players, from past to present!

For more info, you can check official main tournament page:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ed-to-wccc

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:44 pm**

UPDATE

As usual, I am very pleased to announce that
One of my greatest events are started! Two separate CS will be played:
Blitz: 3m+2s / Slow Rapid: 25m+10s

Important Note:
Junior 13.3 out, LCZero CPU in, due all Junior 13..series crashes, sad!

And here are 1st results, playing Blitz 3m+2s where K. Dragon leads!!
Congrats to Komodo team! sure the tour is just in beginning..you know,
It is as lottery to see who are best (I mean if via small number games..)
Btw, many WCCC CS include minus plus same amount games (per player)
Where under current SCCT cond. any entry will be played min 52 games!

Note also that,
Ares seems to be very weak vs current opponents...so in Rapid CS,
I plan to add other, different... but stronger WCCC's engine player!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Komodo Dragon 3.3             354     492      13   88.5%   23.1% 
   2 ShashChess Santiago           338     418      12   87.5%   25.0% 
   3 Ginkgo (Fritz 19)             280     218      12   83.3%   33.3% 
   4 Chiron 5                      232     171      12   79.2%   41.7% 
   5 rofChade 3.1 NN               110     195      13   65.4%   23.1% 
   6 Lc0 v0.3.1.1 CPU               82     149      13   61.5%   46.2% 
   7 Arasan v24.2.2                -27     147      13   46.2%   46.2% 
   8 Rybka (Fritz 16)              -54     135      13   42.3%   53.8% 
   9 Zappa Mexico II               -64     164      11   40.9%   45.5% 
  10 Tornado 9 NNUE               -154     218      12   29.2%   25.0% 
  11 The Baron 3.45               -170     273      11   27.3%   18.2% 
  12 Deep Shredder 13             -170     201      11   27.3%   36.4% 
  13 Jonny 4.00                   -338     418      12   12.5%   25.0% 
  14 Ares v1.005.2                -inf     nan      12    0.0%    0.0% 

85 of 364 games finished.

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:14 pm**

UPDATE 2

ShashChess Santiago takes the lead..but with impressive points so far!!
My Congraulations to ShashChess team as well!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 ShashChess Santiago           452     276      29   93.1%   13.8% 
   2 KomodoDragon 3.3              280     122      27   83.3%   33.3% 
   3 rofChade 3.1 NN               159     113      28   71.4%   35.7% 
   4 Ginkgo (Fritz 19)             144     107      28   69.6%   39.3% 
   5 Arasan v24.2.2                120     101      30   66.7%   40.0% 
   6 Lc0 v0.3.1.1 CPU               92      93      27   63.0%   51.9% 
   7 Chiron 5                       50     107      28   57.1%   35.7% 
   8 Deep Shredder 13               12     115      28   51.8%   25.0% 
   9 Tornado 9 NNUE                -58     108      30   41.7%   30.0% 
  10 Rybka (Fritz 16)             -116     121      28   33.9%   25.0% 
  11 Zappa Mexico II              -159     131      28   28.6%   21.4% 
  12 The Baron 3.45               -175     139      28   26.8%   17.9% 
  13 Jonny 4.00                   -311     196      28   14.3%   14.3% 
  14 Ares v1.005.2                -inf     nan      29    0.0%    0.0% 

198 of 364 games finished.

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:51 pm**

UPDATE 3

Blitz 3m+2s's Current Standings (after 266 out of 364 games):

Btw, now is more clear also that,
Ares v1.005.2 is going to be replaced with Booot 7.3 (in Rapid CS)!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 ShashChess Santiago           296     104      39   84.6%   30.8% 
   2 KomodoDragon 3.3              274      98      38   82.9%   34.2% 
   3 Ginkgo (Fritz 19)             185      95      39   74.4%   35.9% 
   4 rofChade 3.1 NN               179      95      38   73.7%   36.8% 
   5 Arasan v24.2.2                124      85      38   67.1%   44.7% 
   6 Lc0 v0.31.1 CPU                94      82      38   63.2%   47.4% 
   7 Chiron 5                       84      93      38   61.8%   34.2% 
   8 Deep Shredder 13              -38     100      37   44.6%   24.3% 
   9 Rybka (Fritz 16)              -84      97      38   38.2%   28.9% 
  10 Tornado 9 NNUE               -104      99      38   35.5%   28.9% 
  11 Zappa Mexico II              -138     107      37   31.1%   24.3% 
  12 The Baron 3.45               -156     105      38   28.9%   26.3% 
  13 Jonny 4.00                   -349     173      38   11.8%   13.2% 
  14 Ares v1.005.2                -inf     nan      38    0.0%    0.0% 

266 of 364 games finished.

Meanwhile (for anyone missed),
WCSC is started too! Broadcast is available on Lichess server:
https://lichess.org/broadcast/icga-worl ... 2/IdANmRFg

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:47 pm**

UPDATE 4

SCCT - Blitz (3m+2s): ShashChess... wins !!
Congratulations to K. Kiniama, A. Manzo!

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Rank Participant            Score     
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 1: ShashChess Santiago  45.0 / 52  
 2: Komodo Dragon 3.3    43.0 / 52  
 3: rofChade 3.1 NN      37.5 / 52  
 4: Booot 7.3            37.0 / 52   
 5: Arasan v24.2.2       35.0 / 52  
 6: Ginkgo (Fritz 19)    34.5 / 52  
 7: Lc0 v0.31.1 CPU      29.5 / 52   
 8: Deep Shredder 13     23.0 / 52   
 9: Chiron 5             22.5 / 52 
10: Tornado 9 NNUE       17.5 / 52  
11: Rybka (Fritz 16)     17.5 / 52 
12: Zappa Mexico II      10.0 / 52   
13: The Baron 3.45        9.5 / 52 
14: Jonny 4.00            2.5 / 52   
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Draw-Ratio (based on 364 games) is just 31%

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/PkYGgA6b#ddkP7YppU ... M_kUmP0IOs

Note also that,
So far all stable..exc. Tornado 9 is lost several games on time!
It seems this Tornado ver is buggy...maybe suffers via 'Ponder On'
And I'm afraid that in ongoing Rapid: Tornodo will forfeit on time too..
That's why, instead of 52 games (per player), 26 games will be...

And please stay tuned...more updates soon as possible!
For example, Rapid CS (25m+10s) already started as well

Greetings )

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:46 pm**

UPDATE 5

RAPID (25m+10s) CS Antalya 2024: Komodo Dragon 3.3's start is amazing!
Sure Ginkgo (Fritz 19) is just behind as 2nd, another beast for sure, and
For right now ShashChess Santiago is 3rd rank..we will see, but it's hard
To guess what will be next ranks (under these serious tour conditions) !?

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Komodo Dragon 3.3             492     nan       9   94.4%   11.1% 
   2 Ginkgo (Fritz 19)             361     nan       9   88.9%   22.2% 
   3 ShashChess Santiago           241     206      10   80.0%   40.0% 
   4 Arasan v24.2.2                191     204      12   75.0%   33.3% 
   5 rofChade 3.1 NN               154     125      12   70.8%   58.3% 
   6 Lc0 v0.31.1 CPU               147     268      10   70.0%   20.0% 
   7 Chiron 5                       39     186       9   55.6%   44.4% 
   8 Booot 7.3                     -44     157       8   43.8%   62.5% 
   9 Rybka (Fritz 16)             -108     215      10   35.0%   30.0% 
  10 Zappa Mexico II              -147     268      10   30.0%   20.0% 
  11 The Baron 3.45               -241     nan      10   20.0%   20.0% 
  12 Deep Shredder 13             -361     nan       9   11.1%   22.2% 
  13 Tornado 9 NNUE               -382     nan      10   10.0%   20.0% 
  14 Jonny 4.00                   -382     nan      10   10.0%   20.0% 

69 of 182 games finished.

Posted: **Sun Oct 20, 2024 7:43 am**

UPDATE 6

Rapid (25m+10s) CS over: K. Dragon wins!!
My Congratulations to Komodo Dragon Team!

Congrats to all rest eng players too:

2nd ShashChess Santiago

3rd Ginkgo (Fritz 19) + rofChade 3.1 NN

FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ed-to-wccc

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/DhoCiRaI#veP5qoGcH ... RA5unx4BKk

By the way, without to not mention this I can't as well:
There are also such non-official tours out there, which
Often are mentioning such as they are as real World
Computer Chess Championships..in short, I can say over:
Dreaming is not bad at all...but before I suggest them:
To use stronger, better openings, then we can discuss!

Thanks for your interest...and have a nice day!

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:58 am**

Meanwhile,
Rapid (25m+10s) Standings as without Tornado 9 NNUE:
Where Tornado's time loses are played some influences,
But there is one true: Komodo Dragon is still Winner !!

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                         1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  0  1  2  3  
1   Komodo Dragon 3.3    ** ½½ 1½ 1½ ½1 1½ 1½ 11 11 11 11 11 11  20.5/24
2   ShashChess Santiago  ½½ ** ½½ ½½ ½1 ½1 ½½ 11 11 11 ½1 11 11  18.5/24
3   rofChade 3.1 NN      0½ ½½ ** ½½ ½½ ½½ ½1 ½1 11 11 11 11 11  17.5/24  166.75
4   Ginkgo (Fritz 19)    0½ ½½ ½½ ** 0½ ½½ ½1 11 11 11 11 11 11  17.5/24  163.00
5   Arasan v24.2.2       ½0 ½0 ½½ 1½ ** ½½ ½½ 1½ ½1 11 11 11 1½  16.0/24
6   Booot 7.3            0½ ½0 ½½ ½½ ½½ ** ½½ 1½ ½½ 11 11 11 11  15.5/24  143.25
7   Lc0 v0.31.1 CPU      0½ ½½ ½0 ½0 ½½ ½½ ** 1½ 11 1½ 11 11 11  15.5/24  139.75
8   Deep Shredder 13     00 00 ½0 00 0½ 0½ 0½ ** ½½ ½0 11 1½ ½1   8.5/24  62.25
9   Chiron 5             00 00 00 00 ½0 ½½ 00 ½½ ** 1½ ½1 1½ ½1   8.5/24  59.00
10  Rybka (Fritz 16)     00 00 00 00 00 00 0½ ½1 0½ ** ½1 1½ 11   7.5/24
11  Zappa Mexico II      00 ½0 00 00 00 00 00 00 ½0 ½0 ** 01 ½1   4.0/24  25.00
12  The Baron 3.45       00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0½ 0½ 0½ 10 ** 1½   4.0/24  20.00
13  Jonny 4.00           00 00 00 00 0½ 00 00 ½0 ½0 00 ½0 0½ **   2.5/24

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