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Posted: **Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:57 am**

Breaking News (31.08.2024):
1st Stage (2006-2017) is ended..congrats and many thanks to all participants!
Btw the Tie Break match is completed too..where Attacker is managed to win!
2nd DON 15/16 3rd Perfect 16, 4th Experimental book..in other words nice..!
But anyhow, this is just a fun championship...so please do not take too much
Seriously the played results, besides all of them are based books, which are
Created by Me.. but as usual: I have done my best about all of them to prefer
Theirs played openings.. that's why and I wish to say: if there is any weak or
Bad etc. line..Please note that I am NOT responsible for all these weakness!
And this is not a Top secret and I'll try to explain how Perfect 16 bin is created:
In short, Perfect 16 book is tuned to prefer my Playchess 2008/2009's games
About rest / others: in same way is created/used their data (played in SCCT)
On other hand, this is also true that I may share facts/results, where my based
Ones ere not weaker...even some are performed stronger than original ones!!
Anyhow, I hope also that you like my books, efforts, news, tournaments etc.?)
If nothing else... my work does not look to others, right? feel the difference...!
Meanwhile, I have good news: I already started 2nd Stage (2018-2022) too !!

1st Stage (2006 - 2017)'s Champion: Attacker - Congrats to Adriean
Costinescu!

For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-35

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/GwRBCLDL#E6eZrrXph ... s5BB9HHOmM

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:54 pm**

Breaking News (31.08.2024):
Well, here is 2nd Stage (2018-2022)'s 1st results..and to be more clear some
Book names are shorten... for examples: 21/22 = based on 2021-2022 games
As other example: 18/20 means based on between the period 2018-2020 etc.
As in previous..due to not enough games (per book) some vers merged in one
On other hand, the tour is just in beginning so it's early for any conclusions...
Btw, each former Champion minimum 1000 games (per player) will be played..
Be aware of that I hope to create other Number One/s of Playchess too Results
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... chess-2021
But before I have to check my database archives..if games are missing..sorry..
Wishing best of luck to all Champs/Number Ones and let's the best book wins!
Actually even to be as last rank, it's not shame.. most important.is to have fun
Besides, all of current players proved (over long past years) to be one of best!
Moreover, some of the opening lines are old-dated some newer...etc and etc )

2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: DON - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 DON 21/22         3791   18   21    84   54%  3766   92% 
   2 Noname 2020       3788   19   21    82   54%  3767   90% 
   3 Biyuya 2022       3786   19   22    82   53%  3767   84% 
   4 Chucaro 21/22     3786   19   21    84   53%  3767   89% 
   5 Alchemist 19/21   3786   19   22    82   53%  3767   82% 
   6 1337chess 20/22   3785   19   21    82   53%  3767   94% 
   7 FireOnBoard 2022  3783   20   21    82   52%  3768   88% 
   8 Katzenmaier 2021  3782   20   21    84   52%  3768   86% 
   9 LSA 21/22         3779   20   22    82   52%  3767   87% 
  10 CF1977 2020       3776   20   21    82   51%  3768   93% 
  11 M11.4 2021        3775   20   21    82   51%  3767   90% 
  12 2600-Club 20/21   3771   21   21    82   51%  3767   84% 
  13 CF1977 18/19      3770   21   21    84   51%  3766   87% 
  14 Luna 2020         3769   21   21    84   50%  3769   83% 
  15 Vitamin 18/19     3768   21   21    84   50%  3768   93% 
  16 MANTIS 21/22      3765   21   21    84   49%  3769   92% 
  17 ArmoR 18/20       3764   21   21    82   49%  3768   89% 
  18 Attacker 18/20    3764   21   21    82   49%  3768   94% 
  19 Cevdet 18/20      3763   21   21    84   49%  3767   89% 
  20 Vitamin 2020      3761   22   21    82   49%  3769   85% 
  21 Echidna 2019      3761   22   21    82   49%  3769   83% 
  22 Cerebellum 2020   3757   22   20    82   48%  3769   87% 
  23 Zeus 2020         3757   22   20    82   48%  3768   89% 
  24 Cevdet 21/22      3754   22   20    82   48%  3769   85% 
  25 Goi 18/22         3751   21   19    84   47%  3769   89% 
  26 Everest 2020      3750   21   19    84   47%  3768   92% 
  27 DON 19/20         3747   21   19    82   46%  3769   83% 
  28 Cerebellum 18/19  3746   21   19    84   46%  3768   83% 
  29 GoldenHorn 18/19  3735   20   17    82   44%  3769   85%

For More Details about Number One CS (2018-2022):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:57 pm**

Breaking News (31.08.2024):
Via this update: no comments, exception I'm not from Biyuya's Book Team!)
E.g all of the current Top 3 books are belonging to Messi (Mr Angel Morano)
We will see what will be final results..but there is one true: all these Masters,
From the Past to the Present are on Arena again, fighting as real Gladiators!!
In other words, they are newly reborn..and for all of you dear chess friends )

2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: Biyuya - Congratulations to Angel Morano!
Note: Biyuya 2022 is my work (as all others) tuned to prefer their original openings

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 Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Biyuya 2022       3782    7    7   770   54%  3759   84% 
   2 Alchemist 19/21   3778    7    8   772   53%  3759   84% 
   3 Chucaro 21/22     3776    7    8   772   53%  3759   87% 
   4 LSA 21/22         3774    8    8   768   52%  3759   84% 
   5 Katzenmaier 2021  3772    8    8   770   52%  3759   87% 
   6 DON 21/22         3770    8    8   772   52%  3759   91% 
   7 1337chess 20/22   3767    8    8   770   51%  3760   89% 
   8 Zeus 2020         3767    8    8   770   51%  3760   88% 
   9 FireOnBoard 2022  3766    8    8   770   51%  3760   86% 
  10 Noname 2020       3765    8    8   770   51%  3760   89% 
  11 CF1977 2020       3763    8    8   770   51%  3760   90% 
  12 2600-Club 20/21   3763    8    8   770   50%  3760   92% 
  13 MANTIS 21/22      3761    8    8   768   50%  3760   88% 
  14 Vitamin 18/19     3761    8    8   770   50%  3760   90% 
  15 M11.4 2021        3761    8    8   768   50%  3760   89% 
  16 CF1977 18/19      3760    8    8   772   50%  3760   88% 
  17 Cevdet 21/22      3759    8    8   770   50%  3760   89% 
  18 Echidna 2019      3756    8    8   770   49%  3760   88% 
  19 DON 19/20         3755    8    8   770   49%  3760   88% 
  20 Cerebellum 2020   3754    8    8   770   49%  3760   89% 
  21 Luna 2020         3752    8    8   768   49%  3760   87% 
  22 Goi 18/22         3752    8    8   770   49%  3760   88% 
  23 Cevdet 18/20      3750    8    8   772   49%  3760   88% 
  24 Everest 2020      3750    8    8   770   48%  3760   89% 
  25 Attacker 18/20    3750    8    8   772   48%  3760   87% 
  26 Vitamin 2020      3746    8    7   770   48%  3760   86% 
  27 ArmoR 18/20       3744    8    7   770   48%  3760   85% 
  28 Cerebellum 18/19  3741    8    7   772   47%  3761   86% 
  29 GoldenHorn 18/19  3739    8    7   770   47%  3761   84%

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:35 am**

Breaking News (01.09.2024):
Via this update, we've a newer book entrant: T-800 (a Playchess Top player)
Sure it all depends but Online Play is totally different than on same PC Play..
E.g in the past, when I was a frequent Playchess's player, I was with 70% win.
Perc, but on same PC (with close in date strength books) was about 56% win..
Sure with much weaker opponents these win. perc. values can be even higher
In other words, via Online..to get very high-points is easier job for sure, right ?)
Besides to be best on Online exc. very strong book, a fast hardware required...
On other hand, as before, Mr. Angel 's 3 books are still leading..unbelievable!!
What I can say more, the picture is so clear where once more we noticed that
Success is no accident at all...and to be one of the Number Ones is required
Enormous efforts...yes, I create these Champ based ones in short time, about
In 10 min. but no doubt that the original ones are created in much longer time,
Yes many non-book authors will have difficulties to see about what's going on..
But as book maker + tester I tried to make the things more clear.. hope helps!
Note also that current stage is still active and very soon more Number Ones

2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: Biyuya - Congrats to Angel Morano!

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 Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Biyuya 2022       3782    6    6  1044   54%  3757   84% 
   2 Alchemist 19/21   3776    6    7  1044   53%  3758   85% 
   3 Chucaro 21/22     3775    6    7  1044   53%  3758   88% 
   4 Feta + LSA 21/22  3772    6    7  1044   52%  3758   84% 
   5 Katzenmaier 2021  3771    6    7  1044   52%  3758   87% 
   6 1337chess 20/22   3766    7    7  1044   51%  3758   89% 
   7 FireOnBoard 2022  3766    7    7  1044   51%  3758   86% 
   8 DON 21/22         3764    7    7  1044   51%  3758   92% 
   9 Zeus 2020         3763    7    7  1044   51%  3758   89% 
  10 T-800 20/21       3761    7    7  1044   50%  3758   89% 
  11 M11.4 2021        3761    7    7  1044   50%  3758   89% 
  12 Noname 2020       3760    7    7  1044   50%  3758   89% 
  13 CF1977 2020       3760    7    7  1044   50%  3758   88% 
  14 Cevdet 21/22      3759    7    7  1044   50%  3758   89% 
  15 2600-Club 20/21   3758    7    7  1044   50%  3758   92% 
  16 MANTIS 21/22      3757    7    7  1044   50%  3758   89% 
  17 CF1977 18/19      3755    7    7  1044   50%  3758   88% 
  18 Vitamin 18/19     3755    7    7  1044   49%  3758   90% 
  19 Cerebellum 2020   3754    7    7  1044   49%  3758   89% 
  20 Attacker 18/20    3754    7    7  1044   49%  3758   88% 
  21 DON 19/20         3754    7    7  1044   49%  3758   88% 
  22 Echidna 2019      3753    7    7  1044   49%  3758   88% 
  23 Goi 18/22         3752    7    7  1044   49%  3758   89% 
  24 Luna 2020         3751    7    7  1044   49%  3759   87% 
  25 Everest 2020      3750    7    7  1044   49%  3759   89% 
  26 Cevdet 18/20      3750    7    7  1044   49%  3759   90% 
  27 ArmoR 18/20       3746    7    6  1044   48%  3759   86% 
  28 Cerebellum 18/19  3743    7    6  1044   48%  3759   87% 
  29 Vitamin 2020      3742    7    6  1044   47%  3759   86% 
  30 GoldenHorn 18/19  3737    6    6  1044   47%  3759   84%

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:54 pm**

Breaking News (01.09.2024):
After the latest new entries, current 2nd Stage CS (2018 - 2022) is over too!
I'd like to express my greetings, longings and congrats to every book author!
Thanks for over long past years that showed interest, otherwise without you,
NON of these events would exist! Btw, 3rd Stage (2023-2024) is coming soon,
But before..I have to take rest...you may know, not so easy to create + test
So many books and all in short of time...Ok..that's all for now, see you later )

2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Champion Biyuya - Congratulations to Angel Morano!

FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/XowQjLBQ#UyLob7l4x ... qB-3wvmJ9Q

Have fun,
Sedat

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:56 pm**

A very nice tour well done to the winner thanks for the games

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:52 pm**

UPDATE

Just another new testing, but simply as an unofficial test for comparing,
Where this time, I created a newer DON ver, which tuned to prefer only
NN games played by DON book series (during last months of 2022 year)
And as we see, there is serious influence with over than 54% win. perc.
Really impressive by DON NN...but I think it's normal, since almost all
DON NN 2022 book's opponents are based on weaker (NON-NN) games and
Now I hope you see my point: why my target was for all NON-NN games?!

And once more/for anyone missed (sure I mean about 1st and 2nd stages):
All my created and participated books are based on NON-NNUE games, exc.
T-800 20/21 (a Playchess book), which includes NN games too..in same time
That means T-800 is played via advantage...and I'm sorry for all this trouble,
But reason (including NN games) due to T-800 has no much games as NON-NN..
But all rest are based on NON-NN games.since almost all SCCT tours were
Played under Classic cond (as NON-NN in past) sure in Stage 2023-2024 CS:
All Champ ones are planning to be based/tuned to prefer only NN games..

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 DON NN 2022                    30       7    1224   54.3%   85.2% 
   1 1337chess 20/22                10      33      36   51.4%   91.7% 
   2 Vitamin 18/19                   0      27      36   50.0%   94.4% 
   3 Judge Dredd 2020                0      27      36   50.0%   94.4% 
   4 Cerebellum 2020                 0      38      36   50.0%   88.9% 
   5 Biyuya 2022                     0      27      36   50.0%   94.4% 
   6 Vitamin 2020                  -10      50      36   48.6%   80.6% 
   7 Noname 2020                   -10      19      36   48.6%   97.2% 
   8 CF1977 2020                   -10      42      36   48.6%   86.1% 
   9 TURKEY 20/21                  -19      26      36   47.2%   94.4% 
  10 Murx 20/21                    -19      46      36   47.2%   83.3% 
  11 MANTIS 21/22                  -19      26      36   47.2%   94.4% 
  12 Katzenmaier 2021              -19      46      36   47.2%   83.3% 
  13 FireOnBoard 2022              -19      46      36   47.2%   83.3% 
  14 Cevdet 21/22                  -19      26      36   47.2%   94.4% 
  15 Cevdet 18/20                  -19      46      36   47.2%   83.3% 
  16 Zeus 2020                     -29      42      36   45.8%   86.1% 
  17 Luna 2020                     -29      50      36   45.8%   80.6% 
  18 CF1977 18/19                  -29      42      36   45.8%   86.1% 
  19 Cerebellum 18/19              -29      32      36   45.8%   91.7% 
  20 2600-Club 20/21               -29      50      36   45.8%   80.6% 
  21 T-800 20/21                   -39      53      36   44.4%   77.8% 
  22 Goi 18/22                     -39      53      36   44.4%   77.8% 
  23 GM Champions                  -39      45      36   44.4%   83.3% 
  24 Everest 2020                  -39      53      36   44.4%   77.8% 
  25 Attacker 18/20                -39      36      36   44.4%   88.9% 
  26 M11.4 2021                    -49      40      36   43.1%   86.1% 
  27 Feta + LSA 21/22              -49      49      36   43.1%   80.6% 
  28 Echidna 2019                  -49      49      36   43.1%   80.6% 
  29 DON 19/20                     -49      40      36   43.1%   86.1% 
  30 Chucaro 21/22                 -49      40      36   43.1%   86.1% 
  31 DON 21/22                     -58      52      36   41.7%   77.8% 
  32 ArmoR 18/20                   -58      52      36   41.7%   77.8% 
  33 GoldenHorn 18/19              -68      47      36   40.3%   80.6% 
  34 Alchemist 19/21               -99      63      36   36.1%   66.7% 

1224 of 1224 games finished.

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/r9ZiDQJY#W2Q0yqm1Q ... kZ2S5hUanU

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:03 am**

UPDATE 2

Well, let's take a look (just for comparing) regarding Elo differences,
E.g between original books vs my recent created derivatives ones..
1st of all, be aware that to expect identical performances is madness!
And due to not enough games: I merged many book vers. in one name..
(Sure here I am referring about my recent created Champ based books)
Moreover, all of them are not played under same test conditions...
As we know, any book performance depends on our used conditions,
But if nothing else..it seems that my based books are not too far
From the original ones, at least if comparing Elo differences, right ?
Besides, some my created based ones even may become stronger...
As main reason I do not allow/import the defeats (weakest) lines,
Sure here I refer about during each my derivatives book creations!

Number Ones CS 2018- 2022 (all are based/derivatives books):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws
  7 DON 21/22         3772    6    6  1188   51%  3764   91% 
  9 Zeus 2020         3770    6    6  1188   51%  3764   88% 
 18 MANTIS 21/22      3765    6    6  1188   50%  3765   88% 
 19 Cerebellum 2020   3764    6    6  1188   50%  3765   89% 
 32 Vitamin 2020      3750    6    6  1188   48%  3765   86% 
 34 GM Champions      3745    6    6  1188   47%  3765   86%

BN X (all books are original, exc. GM Champions, it is based one):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -nnue-cs-x

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Rank Name              Elo     +    - games score oppo. draws
 26  DON-B             3749    3    3  2430   52%  3739   91% 
 44  Zeus              3746    5    6  1000   52%  3736   90% 
 48  MANTIS Upd        3746    5    5  1000   51%  3739   90% 
 69  Cerebellum 3M     3743    6    6  1000   51%  3739   92% 
111  Vitamin 290320    3735    6    6   790   49%  3742   90% 
142  GM Champions      3726    6    5   900   48%  3740   89%

Same PC Elo diff. (based books, played on 2x Epyc 7B12): 53 Elo

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Rank Name           Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Perfect 16    3790   10   11   650   56%  3749   72% 
  12 Rybka III     3737   11   11   650   48%  3753   82% 

Note: For comparing is used close in date book players

Online Elo diff. (original books, played on Playchess): 139 Elo
And both participants played by same CPU: i7-920 @4.00GHz
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-35

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Rank Name                 Elo   +  –  games score oppo. draws
  1 SedatChess, Rybka 3  3368  11  11 2727   69%  3243   45%
198 Rybka3.ctg, Rybka 3  3229  24  24  482   51%  3220   55%

Some Remarks (according to my experience over long past years):
Why is there much Elo influence/differences? for some reasons:
1st of all, Rybka3.ctg requires much more games (for accurate Elo),
You may know, 482 games (per player) is good data, but not enough!
As other very important influence (sure here I mean during past..):
Rybka III ctg book was publicly available in those times that means
Its mostly strong opening lines were blocked or became drawish,
Or even some after period of time, they are started to loosing..
Actually this is nothing new..this happens with every public book..
Where Perfect 16 was not public available, plus played with often
Updates, adding newer/stronger moves..even in those old times:
I still remember that I made move optimizations in every hour etc.
Sure not always (24/7) of course... ) but quite frequent for sure...

And that's why and as usually I say over Elo points differences:
Online Play is totally different than on same PC matches, e.g
Some online games are lost on time..some online players are
Lost due to wrong engine or hardware configurations or some
Pardon, even I say quite frequent some lost due to hardware
Speed disadvantage...and mainly for these kind of reasons,
Each online played opening line/game is requited/needed to be
Checked manually and carefully..via analyzing to find stronger
Move...Btw, a small important note more:
This is completely wrong, if checking only at engine outputs!
If still not so clear, Which chess engine says the true to us?
There are many positions, come such as advantage/disadvantage..
Where later White or Blacks are winning/ loosing..that's why,
Sure for better performances: it is required many test-replay...e.g
The same won games..to see this opening is really strong/weak..
Otherwise (without serious tests..) many players may suffer...sure
Here I refer for openings, which are played on same CPU as well
One thing more, unfortunately there is also cheating via Online..
At least on Lichess data: a lot of 'fake' high Elo numbers recorded,
Which gained vs same/several or vs much weaker players.. hehe ))
What a hero are these kind of guys...LOL..In other words,
Come to 'real' Arena (SCCT) and let's see how 'good' you are !)
And just in case, do not blame as engine error/s etc.. because
The 'real' Champions never complain...at least mostly of them..
As reason, these Top book authors are too busy on improving,
Working for over newer stronger ideas that never played before!

And I hope also that
All my produced data, experience etc. will be helpful...

Best Wishes,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2024 10:08 am**

EDIT:

As Online reference/source (about Rybka III and Perfect 16) used:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... tober-2009

Posted: **Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:31 pm**

Hello there,

Just I'd like to inform that I've realized to run another new CS,
Because, in recent both tours, mostly Champ books lines are
Not participated...so not organizing it..will be BIG miss, right?
Sure later... I hope to organize the planning 2023-2024 CS too

And here are the 1st played results of Number Ones CS -2022:

3rd Stage (2022)'s Current Leader: DON - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 DON Class                      26      28     108   53.7%   81.5% 
   2 Ganryu                         13      28     109   51.8%   81.7% 
   3 DON NN                         10      29     107   51.4%   80.4% 
   4 1337chess                       6      28     108   50.9%   81.5% 
   5 Cimarron                        6      30     110   50.9%   78.2% 
   6 Cubail                          3      26     106   50.5%   84.0% 
   7 Guzel Kiz                       3      32     107   50.5%   76.6% 
   8 GalactusTurbo                   0      27     108   50.0%   83.3% 
   9 Varied                         -6      23     109   49.1%   87.2% 
  10 DarkGalactus                  -26      25     108   46.3%   85.2% 
  11 Chucaro                       -34      21     114   45.2%   88.6%

597 of 2750 games finished.

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 1m+1s, 128 MB Hash, 4-MEN
All Number Ones are used to play via 9-times Champion: Cfish 030820 C40

More Details:
This time all books are based on only 2022 NNUE games, exc. DON Class, e.g
It is tuned to prefer DON's Champion series, which are played as NON-NNUE
Be aware of that too please, each book player will consist min. 500 games

That's all for now and wishing good luck to all

Greetings

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