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Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:41 am**

UPDATE

And here are latest played BN XXXII's strength results:

Some Notes:
Mostly of current versions played in older tours, tests etc.
Anyhow, I tested them once more..you know more better!

Meanwhile (about engines which are close to 3750 Elo),
Raubfish SC is still 'best' in draw ratio if playing itself..Btw,
And wonder who will be 1st hero who'll break this record ?)
While other stronger ones produce av. 10%-15% more draws!
Sure that's other question...but for 30-40 Elo is it worth?
If not clear, do you wish to see almost all games as draw?)
If you ask my view sometimes ok but I'd prefer much less...
And I assume that mostly friends will agree with Me too )

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Raubfish SC      3750    4    4  4212   51%  3744   82% 
   2 Tetra 1.0        3750    6    6  2200   51%  3743   81% 
   3 ShashChess 21.1  3748    8    8   974   50%  3750   83% 
   4 SF-PB 101121     3748    9    9   812   50%  3750   85% 
   5 Kayra 1.0        3747   13   13   400   50%  3750   85% 
   6 SF-SCCT 250122   3747    6    6  1700   51%  3743   83% 
   7 K.Dragon 3.3     3744    5    5  2409   50%  3742   81% 
   8 B.Marlin 14.6    3744    7    7  1500   50%  3744   83% 
   9 Swordfish 14.7   3742    8    8  1200   49%  3746   83%

   Note: The above engines will be used for the planning tour
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  10 Berserk 13       3740    6    6  1925   50%  3742   80% 
  11 Swordfish 14.5   3731   13   13   392   48%  3744   84% 
  12 Obsidian 13      3729   10   10   700   48%  3746   83% 
  13 CFishNN 240223   3726    8    8  1000   47%  3746   82%

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/fg5mwY5b#leBX_dn7O ... YHJvZXcdNM

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, Unique, 1m+06s, 64 Hash, 4-MEN

More Details:
Current strength test is with Unique suite, but if Balsa, then
Their strength is much closer...actually even under these cond.
It's clear that they are much close (in strength) to each other!

Be aware of that too,
It seems Berserk and Obsidian suffer a bit via Polyglot adapter,
Sad.. but no BIG problem since we've many other alternatives!

Note also that the CS is already started...and any Entry with
53% winning percentage will be qualified into Super League!
And I expect that many books will perform over than 53%+

Good luck to all... )

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:17 am**

UPDATE 2

AdrianOliva book is managed to qualify..with close to 56% win. percentage !!

What I can say more,
There are trillions of Galaxies..but it seems AdrianOliva is one brightest ones!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 AdrianOliva                    39      12     480   55.6%   85.0% 
   1 Triangulum SH                 -12      39      60   48.3%   80.0% 
   2 Comet KA                      -17      19      60   47.5%   95.0% 
   3 Milky Way SW                  -23      22      60   46.7%   93.3% 
   4 Andromeda TT                  -23      32      60   46.7%   86.7% 
   5 Whirlpool BM                  -35      31      60   45.0%   86.7% 
   6 Cigar PB                      -53      32      60   42.5%   85.0% 
   7 Centaurus SC                  -53      32      60   42.5%   85.0% 
   8 Ursa Major KD                -101      47      60   35.8%   68.3% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:55 pm**

UPDATE 3

Well, here are some other new entries: BN XXII Top could not..but
AbbyStein and OPTIMUS 2407 are qualified...with 54%+ win. perc.
Congrats to OrgZ and ConRog !

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 BN XXII Top                    -3      12     480   49.6%   85.8% 
   1 Ursa Major KD                  70      40      60   60.0%   76.7% 
   2 Triangulum SH                  41      29      60   55.8%   88.3% 
   3 Whirlpool BM                   17      30      60   52.5%   88.3% 
   4 Andromeda TT                  -12      39      60   48.3%   80.0% 
   5 Milky Way SW                  -23      22      60   46.7%   93.3% 
   6 Comet KA                      -23      32      60   46.7%   86.7% 
   7 Cigar PB                      -23      36      60   46.7%   83.3% 
   8 Centaurus SC                  -23      27      60   46.7%   90.0% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 OPTIMUS 2407                   32      13     480   54.6%   81.3% 
   1 Ursa Major KD                  29      52      60   54.2%   65.0% 
   2 Andromeda TT                    6      38      60   50.8%   81.7% 
   3 Whirlpool BM                  -23      32      60   46.7%   86.7% 
   4 Comet KA                      -35      35      60   45.0%   83.3% 
   5 Milky Way SW                  -41      29      60   44.2%   88.3% 
   6 Triangulum SH                 -58      34      60   41.7%   83.3% 
   7 Centaurus SC                  -58      34      60   41.7%   83.3% 
   8 Cigar PB                      -76      38      60   39.2%   78.3% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 AbbyStein                      29      12     480   54.2%   84.2% 
   1 Centaurus SC                   -6      25      60   49.2%   91.7% 
   2 Comet KA                      -12      23      60   48.3%   93.3% 
   3 Ursa Major KD                 -17      50      60   47.5%   68.3% 
   4 Cigar PB                      -23      27      60   46.7%   90.0% 
   5 Andromeda TT                  -29      34      60   45.8%   85.0% 
   6 Whirlpool BM                  -47      35      60   43.3%   83.3% 
   7 Milky Way SW                  -47      38      60   43.3%   80.0% 
   8 Triangulum SH                 -53      36      60   42.5%   81.7% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:08 pm**

UPDATE 3

Well, here are some other new entries: BN XXII Top could not..but
AbbyStein and OPTIMUS 2407 are qualified...with 54%+ win. perc.
Congrats to OrgZ and ConRog !

By the way,
OPTIMUS's draw ratio is incredible with low numbers: 81%
And for anyone missed, the current tour is NNUE enabled..why I say like that?
Because there are such engines+books, even as NON-NN their draws are higher!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 BN XXII Top                    -3      12     480   49.6%   85.8% 
   1 Ursa Major KD                  70      40      60   60.0%   76.7% 
   2 Triangulum SH                  41      29      60   55.8%   88.3% 
   3 Whirlpool BM                   17      30      60   52.5%   88.3% 
   4 Andromeda TT                  -12      39      60   48.3%   80.0% 
   5 Milky Way SW                  -23      22      60   46.7%   93.3% 
   6 Comet KA                      -23      32      60   46.7%   86.7% 
   7 Cigar PB                      -23      36      60   46.7%   83.3% 
   8 Centaurus SC                  -23      27      60   46.7%   90.0% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 OPTIMUS 2407                   32      13     480   54.6%   81.3% 
   1 Ursa Major KD                  29      52      60   54.2%   65.0% 
   2 Andromeda TT                    6      38      60   50.8%   81.7% 
   3 Whirlpool BM                  -23      32      60   46.7%   86.7% 
   4 Comet KA                      -35      35      60   45.0%   83.3% 
   5 Milky Way SW                  -41      29      60   44.2%   88.3% 
   6 Triangulum SH                 -58      34      60   41.7%   83.3% 
   7 Centaurus SC                  -58      34      60   41.7%   83.3% 
   8 Cigar PB                      -76      38      60   39.2%   78.3% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 AbbyStein                      29      12     480   54.2%   84.2% 
   1 Centaurus SC                   -6      25      60   49.2%   91.7% 
   2 Comet KA                      -12      23      60   48.3%   93.3% 
   3 Ursa Major KD                 -17      50      60   47.5%   68.3% 
   4 Cigar PB                      -23      27      60   46.7%   90.0% 
   5 Andromeda TT                  -29      34      60   45.8%   85.0% 
   6 Whirlpool BM                  -47      35      60   43.3%   83.3% 
   7 Milky Way SW                  -47      38      60   43.3%   80.0% 
   8 Triangulum SH                 -53      36      60   42.5%   81.7% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:43 pm**

UPDATE 4

Well, via current update, I have good news for Mr. Ian Hurnavich,
Andi it seems latest Stealth 1.1 ver is improved much, well done!
Where unfortunately the other entry (HuckleBerry v11) could not...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 HuckleBerry v11                11      13     480   51.6%   83.5% 
   1 Ursa Major KD                  17      41      60   52.5%   78.3% 
   2 Triangulum SH                  17      41      60   52.5%   78.3% 
   3 Whirlpool BM                   -6      34      60   49.2%   85.0% 
   4 Centaurus SC                  -12      16      60   48.3%   96.7% 
   5 Milky Way SW                  -23      32      60   46.7%   86.7% 
   6 Cigar PB                      -23      32      60   46.7%   86.7% 
   7 Andromeda TT                  -23      45      60   46.7%   73.3% 
   8 Comet KA                      -35      35      60   45.0%   83.3% 

480 of 480 games finished.

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Stealth 1.1                    25      12     480   53.6%   85.6% 
   1 Triangulum SH                   0      36      60   50.0%   83.3% 
   2 Whirlpool BM                  -12      28      60   48.3%   90.0% 
   3 Comet KA                      -17      25      60   47.5%   91.7% 
   4 Ursa Major KD                 -23      45      60   46.7%   73.3% 
   5 Milky Way SW                  -35      35      60   45.0%   83.3% 
   6 Centaurus SC                  -35      31      60   45.0%   86.7% 
   7 Cigar PB                      -41      29      60   44.2%   88.3% 
   8 Andromeda TT                  -41      29      60   44.2%   88.3% 

480 of 480 games finished.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:23 pm**

UPDATE 5

Here is a new Round-Robin tour (only constant players)
And as I expected so far,
Triangulum, Ursa Major, Andromeda etc. perform better...

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Rank Name            Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Triangulum SH  3764   10   10   420   53%  3744   85% 
   2 Ursa Major KD  3759   10   10   420   52%  3745   81% 
   3 Andromeda TT   3750   10   10   420   51%  3746   87% 
   4 Whirlpool BM   3748   10   10   420   50%  3746   82% 
   5 Centaurus SC   3743   10   10   420   49%  3747   88% 
   6 Comet KA       3738   10   10   420   49%  3748   91% 
   7 Milky Way SW   3735   10   10   420   48%  3748   91% 
   8 Cigar PB       3735   10   10   420   48%  3748   87%

Note: Round-Robin's draw ratio (based on 1680 games) not high: 86%

BM = Blue Marlin 14.6
KA = Kayra 1.0
KD = Komodo Dragon 3.3
PB = SF-PB 101121
SC = SF-SCCT 250122
SH = ShashChess 21.1
SW = Swordfish 14.7
TT = Tetra 1.0

More Details:
SF-PB 101121 avx2 is playing with nn-a68688dd90ce.nnue
In this way, SF-PB's strength is more close to Raubfish SC

And please stay tuned,
Very soon more entries (DON, HCAN etc.) are coming...

Greetings

Posted: **Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:45 am**

IMPORTANT UPDATE 6

1st of all,
Unfortunately DON 190524, HCanFree 2404, Pampa 3 etc. books could not qualify..
E.g theirs performances ended with 52% win. percentage, good but not enough...
And this a surprise, but this is life..via qualification is hard, no way each time to
Gain the highest points...it's impossible..at least my organized tours confirm..!

However, after all...once more we noticed that,
Any opening book performance depends on our used conditions:
And according to my experience, here are some main factors:
- Opponents (no much ways to gain vs book with 'strong moves')
- Slower TC, MP, Ponder ON etc (again no much ways to gain..)
- Strong NN assistance plays BIG role..better quality for sure!
But quite often boring...due to almost all games are Draws..

In other words, what I'm trying to say as usual:
I prefer running tours under such conditions,
Where the participants may gain more points...
But sometimes not all in my hands...right ?)

And that's not all.. please read carefully:

Now I'll run a new unofficial test, but important experiment,
Where I will test Pampa 3 (via Raubfich) vs Player1, Player2 etc
I mean under similar cond. as BN XXXI's 2nd league, as main diff.
This time all books will be played by close in strength engines!
In this way, we will have much more useful data for comparing..

If nothing else,
We will see that Raubfish SC is bad or not...

And please stay tuned... )

Posted: **Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:54 am**

UPDATE 7, another important update!

Well, the Experimental test is completed...

And again and again we noticed also that,
It all depends on out used conditions, especially the opponents play
As serious and important factor too...sure I refer to gain better points!

Continuing....

And as I stated many many times that,
Any book's performance depends on our conditions, and no doubt too:
The books which are well-prepared gain better points, it doesn't matter
Much if via Raubfish or Polyfish or vs Plyers1 or vs Andromeda etc.
Because other Top entries are already proved to be so..!! and if you
Going to ask, which ones: I say simply: AndrinOliva plus Dara 090724
And DONfree 090724 are managed (in both recent leagues) to qualify..
Sure soon as possible, I hope to share latest BN XXXII's standings

And here are the played results of the mentioned experiment test,
Note: all books are played by very close in strength Top NN engines:

And as we see..Pampa via Raubfish SC is again unstoppable...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Pampa 3                        33      11     520   54.7%   86.3% 
   1 Player3 SC                     -8      14     130   48.8%   94.6% 
   2 Player1 TT                    -35      26     130   45.0%   80.8% 
   3 Player2 SH                    -43      21     130   43.8%   86.2% 
   4 Player4 PB                    -46      23     130   43.5%   83.8% 

520 of 520 games finished.

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/y0AlUSiL#WP45jZfXI ... On0Jslghzw

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 40s+05s, 64 MB Hash, 4-MEN

So as final conclusion,
Pampa 3 book + Raubfish SC engine is not bad, poor at all, e.g in XXXI
2nd League: Pampa 3 performed as best: 52%, where now even better 55%
And I hope all these testings to be useful...

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:01 pm**

Breaking News:
35 entries: 12 managed to qualify... Congratulations!
Really amazing...yes, these warriors came from other
Galaxy...and destroyed everything on the Universe !)
On other hand, I expected more qualified.. but it seems
Some were not lucky or some old-dated or some simply
Are not optimized so well, who knows?) and as usual,
We see again same authors books are at higher ranks!
What does it mean? a lot..Btw, I calculated the overall
Performances of qualified books so far, for examples:
Qualified stats of 2nd League - Overall Performances:
6 Public books: 3779 Elo / 6 Private Books: 3774 Elo
In other words, again the Top Public books break down
The well-known rules! at least under these conditions!
As we know, normally Private ones should be stronger..
Perhaps it is time to focus only over Public books ?)
In this way, many chess friends will benefit for sure!

The Current Leader: Esculapio - Congrats to Angel Morano!

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Esculapio        3790    9   10   480   57%  3748   83% 
   2 AdrianOliva      3784   10   10   480   56%  3748   85% 
   3 SENTINEL 2407    3778   10   10   480   55%  3748   83% 
   4 OPTIMUS 2407     3778   10   11   480   55%  3748   81% 
   5 DONfree 090724   3778   10   10   480   55%  3748   84% 
   6 ORIONPAX 2407    3777   10   11   480   54%  3748   78% 
   7 AbbyStein        3776   10   11   480   54%  3748   84% 
   8 HCan 160524      3773   10   11   480   54%  3748   84% 
   9 Stealth 1.1      3772   10   11   480   54%  3748   86% 
  10 Hazel Upd3       3772   10   11   480   54%  3748   83% 
  11 Dara 090724      3769   10   11   480   53%  3748   85% 
  12 MegaTron B3      3767   11   11   480   53%  3748   83% 

  13 Triangulum SH    3765    5    5  2520   51%  3759   83% 
  14 DON 190524       3764   11   11   480   52%  3748   81% 
  15 Small 2.0        3762   11   11   480   52%  3748   86% 
  16 LesChats 040724  3762   11   11   480   52%  3748   90% 
  17 Pampa 3          3762   11   11   480   52%  3748   84% 
  18 HCanFree v2      3762   11   11   480   52%  3748   84% 
  19 HCanFree 2404    3761   11   11   480   52%  3748   84% 
  20 V by Kervoros    3761   11   11   480   52%  3748   90% 
  21 Solista 081022   3760   11   11   480   52%  3748   89% 
  22 CaterpillaR 1.0  3760   11   11   480   52%  3748   84% 
  23 HuckleBerry v11  3759   11   11   480   52%  3748   84% 
  24 Ursa Major KD    3757    5    5  2520   50%  3760   78% 
  25 Cevdet 100724    3757   11   11   480   51%  3748   80% 
  26 Goi+Grendel      3757   11   11   480   51%  3748   90% 
  27 Bronco 290224    3755   11   11   480   51%  3748   91% 
  28 OlisFish201123   3753   11   11   480   51%  3748   89% 
  29 Whirlpool BM     3752    5    5  2520   49%  3760   84% 
  30 Bullet SBT       3752   11   11   480   51%  3748   83% 
  31 Rebel 110324     3751   11   11   480   50%  3748   90% 
  32 Andromeda TT     3750    5    5  2520   49%  3760   84% 
  33 Sailfish 2       3749   11   11   480   50%  3748   85% 
  34 PaPa-JoE         3747   11   11   480   50%  3748   84% 
  35 UpAndDown        3747   11   11   480   50%  3748   89% 
  36 Everest 300923   3747   11   11   480   50%  3748   80% 
  37 Cerebellum 3M    3746   11   11   480   50%  3748   91% 
  38 BN XXII Top      3746   11   11   480   50%  3748   86% 
  39 Centaurus SC     3744    5    5  2520   48%  3760   88% 
  40 Comet KA         3744    5    5  2520   48%  3760   89% 
  41 Yoruba 150424    3740   11   11   480   49%  3748   83% 
  42 Cigar PB         3738    5    5  2520   47%  3760   88% 
  43 Milky Way SW     3737    5    5  2520   46%  3760   88%

Note also that
Soon as possible, Super League tour will be started..
It will be played under Blitz (3m+0.5s) conditions...

And wishing you good luck and let's best book wins...

Greetings )

Posted: **Thu Jul 18, 2024 10:38 am**

Breaking News - 18.07.2024:
The championship ended...congrats and many thanks to all authors!
DON could not stay 'silent' for much longer...and said the 'last' word!
And with clear margin! 2nd place: MegaTron + Stealth, 3rd. HCAN!
Really very impressive results... not easy to be in one of best ranks!
On the other hand, if checking the overall stats of Super League tour:
Again Public books performed better than Private books, for example:
6 Public books: 3772 Elo / 6 Private books: 3767 Elo, the diff. is 5 Elo
Besides, in both Leagues: the Champions are Public books as well..!
In short, in my understanding: the situation should be just opposite..!
But no problem.. since current CS is just FUN tour..no more no less...
And this is not all, new idea born: there will be a very exciting Battle,
In short, a new GRAND Duel match is coming soon: DON Vs Esculapio,
It will be played via Classic cond. by 9-times Champ: Cfish 030820
You know, sometimes not bad idea to be checked without assistance..
And wishing the best of luck to current Champions of both Leagues!

Super League Champion: DON - Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!

FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... per-league

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/L04VhJTA#4IaRfoLF0 ... hWGdROsSKQ

Best,
Sedat

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