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Posted: **Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:26 am**

UPDATE 1

The Strength Test started, actually many more engines played,
But they did not suit much to the current planning conditions...

Note that, as one of main targets:
Simply the goal to be the Elo Difference minus plus 15 Elo

And I have good news,
The below Top engines are planning to be used for B/N CS XXXI
As we see.. they are much suitable, for example about 15 Elo diff.
Sure current test is with Unique openings, but with Balsa is expecting
About 10 Elo diff. in same time that means in 1 year period of time
The ENG improvement is about 10-15 Elo...right ? ah one thing more
This is under Bullet cond. 1 Core etc.. but with better test cond. is
Expecting less Elo diff. for sure! anyhow we have to be satisfied...
Since all these great engines are free, stable, plus super strong!!

In other words,
All 'book' entries will be played via Polyfish 070623 engine,
Where the constant books of Second League will be played by:
JigSaw v5.9, Killfish 280624, Kookaburra 3 and SF-PB 120624

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Polyfish 070623              -16       7     939   47.8%   88.9% 
   1 Kookaburra 3                  21      15     237   53.0%   88.2% 
   2 Killfish 280624               19      16     232   52.8%   86.6% 
   3 JigSaw v5.9                   16      13     236   52.3%   91.1% 
   4 SF-PB 120624                   6      14     234   50.9%   89.7% 

939 of 1200 games finished.

And please stay tuned,
More updates, details soon as possible...

Greetings )

Posted: **Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:18 am**

UPDATE 2

SCCT B/N XXXI's Strength Test Results is completed

So via Unique + Balsa openings: 13 Elo Difference

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1   Top 4 3780+ Elo  +107/-45/=1528 51.85%  871.0/1680
2   Polyfish 070623  +45/-107/=1528 48.15%  809.0/1680

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/vp5i0CIR#Zbh5gPnTz ... mI6iljWQM0

More Details:
Top 4 3780+ Elo = JigSaw v5.9, Killfish 280624, Kookaburra 3 and SF-PB 120624
Player1 book by JigSaw, Player2 by Kookaburra, Player3 by Killfish, Player4 by
SF-PB engine will be played..in short, in ALFBE order: the engines are set.. and
The Eng names will be shorten as JigSaw (JS), Kookaburra (KB), Killfish (KF) etc.

Btw, for anyone interested, missed:
Player1 is tuned to prefer wins of B/N XXIX's 2nd League, that means Balsa..
Player2 = The wins of B/N XXII, BN XV, BN IX and BN V's 2nd League books
Player3 = The wins of NON-NNUE both tours: LXVI and LVI's 2nd League books
Player4 = The wins of NON-NNUE both tours: LII and XXXX's 2nd League books

In other words (for my recent created Player1, Player2 etc.):
I did not touch / include any single win by the Book Entries..
I mean only 2nd league constants books wins are tuned to prefer...

Be aware of that too,
Any BOOK entry will be played min. 520 games,
And the ones with 50%+ win. percentage will be
Qualified in planning XXXI's Super League CS

And I wish to say all of you that
The current BN XXXI is one of the HARDEST for sure!
Because to gain very high points and to qualify with
So BIG disadvantages..such as playing vs 13+ Elo diff.

Meanwhile,
I hope to see more public opening books as well,
You know, The more we share, the more we have...

And no doubt too,
Without the public books, private ones would not exist too!

And please stay tuned...soon as possible,
BIG results update is coming...Btw, any guess?
Which Book is leading: AdrianOliva or OPTIMUS
Or HCAN or Hurna 2023 or Tuna or other one?

Good Luck to ALL )

Posted: **Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:03 am**

Breaking News - 08.07.2024:
As I promised, here is the BIG update...there are many words to say
But no free time for all exc. AdrianOliva can not be from this planet!
I've seen/tested thousands of books, but this is different, unique one!
Btw, in past. Kerveros contacted me privately..simply he requested to
Not test his old dated ones..sure I disagreed and here is best answer.
V by Kerrveros is again and still is one of the most successful books!
And not only now..his Zeus (as old-dated) managed to be on Top too!
In other words, please... I know what I am doing !) On the other hand,
There are many other old-dated books, which managed to qualify too!!
And frankly (about mostly of the qualified books) no BIG surprise at all...
E.g Player1 (Balsa) is one of highest gained points so far but you know,
If various openings....as usual, my books performing not so bad..right?
One thing more, Skynet's 3 (three) books are qualified..in short: great !
Sure it's impressive too that both HCAN free books are qualified as well
Interesting to note that Hurna 2023 and Goi+ Grendel are still not dead!
But I admit that unfortunately OPTIMUS had very bad luck vs Player2..
Where lost with BIG difference, otherwise would be with over than 50%
Of course, there are many other ones which were not so lucky too...but
It's impossible (in every tour) to be one of the Top ranked book players..
Note also (for anyone missed) Player1, Player2 etc books are released
And all of them can be found directly on Openchess + Goi chess forums
As other good news: one of my shared books (BN XXII Top) qualified too!
Ok..friends that's all for now..and in next days, Super League is coming..

2nd League Leader: AdrianOliva - My Congratulations to Angel Morano!

For Latest Standings of 2nd League:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -cs-31-2nd

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:57 am**

Breaking News - 09.07.2024:
Well, via this update again too many books are entered...where some
Managed to qualify, where mostly unfortunately could not... But it's ok..
Since many are quite old-dated..even some books are based on 2020,
Actually not all are old dated, some are quite new e.g Dara, Stealth etc
Anyhow I believe that I'm on right way.. sure my job is not to discover
Gold..) but to discover the best ones, which never die..as Immortal !)
On other hand, there are such books, with time are better.. like Wine)
E.g some of them: Cerebellum, Solista, V by Kerveros, HCAN, Hurna,
Goi+Grendel plus many others as well..and my Congratulations to all
Authors, who managed to qualify... even under these hard conditions!!
Btw, Skynet has best record so far: his 4 books managed.. incredible!!
Meanwhile, just as friendly advice, about who could not to qualify so far,
Before releasing..good idea to train your Book vs Players1, Player2 etc
In this way (via hand tuning) I expect your book will be better, stronger!
Ok it's time to concentrate over Super League with 17 Top participants..
And I wish you the best of luck...)

For Latest Standings of 2nd League
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -cs-31-2nd

Greetings

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:29 am**

UPDATE

Some Notes About Super League':
After checking more closely, it is very clear that
JigSaw 5.9's produced draw ratio (via Balsa) is less...
This is another good news, because 91% draws can be
Considered not so high..especially for strong engines
Plus in case of using strong opening lines as well..

In other words,
All SL's qualified books will be played by JigSaw 5.9
You may know (in SCCT):
There is no double standards, I'm influenced by no one,
Exc. I check eng or book results, statistics, tools etc.
Even is important eng exe sizes...sure if book tours..
Actually other important influence is playing 'FUN'
For this reason, there is a possibility Super League to
Be played under Bullet cond. but before I need to run
JigSaw's draw itself tests: Blitz 2m+1s, Bullet 1m+06s
Otherwise, if using such cond. where almost all draws,
Then what is the point...?) sure via Online.. may appear
More wins..because wrong eng configuration or vs weaker
Engines or playing vs weak openings or other influence is
The hardware speed differences play BIG role too, but
On same + fast hardware:
The situation is not like that..moreover if using/testing
Strong book openings etc. then totally different, right?

Btw, here is draw ratio of 2nd league constant players:

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws   
   2 Player1 JS        3809    2    2  6890   53%  3793   91% 
   8 Player2 KB        3803    2    2  6890   52%  3793   94% 
  11 Player3 KF        3800    2    2  6890   51%  3793   94% 
  44 Player4 PB        3788    2    2  6890   49%  3793   93%

Greetings

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:33 am**

2nd League's Update

A new DONFree ver is entered...and is managed to qualify,
With close to 51% win. percentage, really great!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 DONfree 090724                  5       9     520   50.8%   90.4% 
   1 Player1 JS                     13      22     130   51.9%   86.9% 
   2 Player3 KF                      8      12     130   51.2%   96.2% 
   3 Player2 KB                    -16      18     130   47.7%   90.8% 
   4 Player4 PB                    -27      21     130   46.2%   87.7% 

520 of 520 games finished.

What I can say more (according to my experience too):
There are also such great books, where it does not matter much
With which Top engine plays... if your book lines are super strong..
Then no doubt it is expecting to see less engine errors too, right?

By the way,
If X opening book is superior strong too..then
It's not required much luck (during active tours)!
If you hadn't been tuned so well the openings...
Then your book is expecting to be not so lucky!
In other words, 'the best luck' is in our hands !)

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:20 pm**

SUPER LEAGUE's 1st Result UPDATE

Here are 1st LIVE Standings after about 110+ games (per player)
Where HCAN, BN XXII, DON, OlisFish..with impressive start so far!

Some Details:
Playing at Bullet (1m+05s), as reason, e.g if Blitz:
JigSaw's produced Draw ratio is much higher... even
At 1m+05s is high (95%).. but for less draws I have to
Switch to faster TC or I had to use Raubfish SC engine )
Anyhow, I'm happy with these cond. I assume you too..
If nothing else..this tour is different than all others..

Be aware too, any Player (via current Round-Robin tourney)
Will consist 850 games, but for determining Champion tittle,
It is required minimum 1000+ games (per player) that means,
We will need more qualified players, but I expect in the next
Days may appear...you know, the CS is just in beginning...

On other hand,
Here the situation is different.. usually the newer book vers.
Gain better points but not always... just one example,
Goi + Grendel's old dated openings perform not bad so far...
We will see.. sure for better stats more games are needed...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 HCanFree 2404                  22      18     109   53.2%   91.7% 
   2 BN XXII Top                    16      22     111   52.3%   88.3% 
   3 DONfree 090724                 12      15     112   51.8%   94.6% 
   4 OlisFish 201123                12      15     113   51.8%   94.7% 
   5 Goi-Grendel                     9      10     113   51.3%   97.3% 
   6 AdrianOliva                     9      10     115   51.3%   97.4% 
   7 Dara 090724                     6      12     110   50.9%   96.4% 
   8 Rebel 110324                    0       9     113   50.0%   98.2% 
   9 V by Kerveros                  -3      16     113   49.6%   93.8% 
  10 Hurna 2023                     -3      18     111   49.5%   91.9% 
  11 Bullet SBT                     -3      11     111   49.5%   97.3% 
  12 Raid TR 200823                 -6       8     113   49.1%   98.2% 
  13 Learning                       -6      21     112   49.1%   89.3% 
  14 HCanFree Upd                   -9      20     111   48.6%   90.1% 
  15 Yoruba 150424                  -9      16     110   48.6%   93.6% 
  16 Cerebellum 3M                 -12      12     112   48.2%   96.4% 
  17 SkynetSCCT 10.1               -13      15     111   48.2%   94.6% 
  18 Solista 081022                -22      18     112   46.9%   92.0% 

1006 of 7650 games finished.

Greetings )

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:16 pm**

SUPER LEAGUE's UPDATE 2

The Current Book Leader - HCanFree 2404 - Congrats to Hamdullah Can!

Btw, I'm bit surprised that my created BN XXII is currently at 2nd place..
Because BN XII's openings can not be said as new...belonging to 2023 year!
However, the most important is FUN.. rest does not matter much..

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 HCanFree 2404                  15       6     536   52.1%   95.0% 
   2 BN XXII Top                    11       9     532   51.6%   90.8% 
   3 AdrianOliva                    10       5     537   51.4%   96.5% 
   4 DONfree 090724                  8       7     535   51.1%   94.0% 
   5 Hurna 2023                      6       7     533   50.8%   93.8% 
   6 OlisFish 201123                 6       5     534   50.8%   97.2% 
   7 Goi-Grendel                     3       4     536   50.4%   97.8% 
   8 Bullet SBT                      1       6     535   50.2%   96.3% 
   9 Dara 090724                     1       6     537   50.2%   96.3% 
  10 Yoruba 150424                   0       6     531   50.0%   95.5% 
  11 Raid TR 200823                 -2       5     535   49.7%   97.6% 
  12 Rebel 110324                   -3       5     533   49.6%   96.6% 
  13 V by Kerveros                  -4       6     532   49.4%   95.5% 
  14 HCanFree Upd                   -5       8     536   49.3%   92.7% 
  15 Cerebellum 3M                  -8       5     538   48.9%   97.0% 
  16 Solista 081022                -11       7     533   48.4%   94.9% 
  17 SkynetSCCT 10.1               -14       7     532   48.0%   93.4% 
  18 Learning                      -15       8     533   47.8%   91.9% 

4809 of 7650 games finished.

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:46 pm**

SUPER LEAGUE's UPDATE 3

The Current Book Leader - BN XXII Top - My Congratulations to XXX ???
Actually I'm the author, but all credits are going to XXII's Best Masters!

And it is interesting... a similar issue happened before..but very rarely..
I mean my created book to be Leading over such super strong books..
In other words,
It seems I still may create sometimes not so weak books too

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 BN XXII Top                    15       8     696   52.2%   89.9% 
   2 HCanFree 2404                  13       5     699   51.9%   95.6% 
   3 AdrianOliva                    10       5     700   51.4%   96.6% 
   4 Hurna 2023                      6       6     696   50.9%   93.8% 
   5 DONfree 090724                  6       6     694   50.9%   94.8% 
   6 OlisFish 201123                 5       4     699   50.7%   97.7% 
   7 Bullet SBT                      3       5     696   50.5%   95.8% 
   8 Dara 090724                     1       5     698   50.2%   96.4% 
   9 Goi-Grendel                     0       4     699   50.1%   97.6% 
  10 Yoruba 150424                   0       6     696   50.0%   95.1% 
  11 V by Kerveros                  -2       6     698   49.6%   95.3% 
  12 Raid TR 200823                 -3       4     698   49.6%   97.4% 
  13 Rebel 110324                   -3       5     697   49.6%   96.8% 
  14 HCanFree Upd                   -8       7     700   48.9%   92.9% 
  15 Cerebellum 3M                  -8       5     697   48.8%   96.7% 
  16 Learning                      -11       7     699   48.4%   92.0% 
  17 Solista 081022                -12       6     695   48.3%   95.0% 
  18 SkynetSCCT 10.1               -14       7     697   48.0%   92.8% 

6277 of 7650 games finished.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:01 am**

Breaking News - 10.07.2024:
1st of all, just a FUN CS and please don't take too seriously the results
Life is too short, simply enjoy... and never let others to bring you down!
2nd some of books are very old-dated, especially Cerebellum, Solista..
So we can not expect much from them vs strongest new trend books...
3rd. all the current Top books are as real Wolves..managed to survive...
Via qualifying ! And frankly, to be a 'Super League player' is not so easy
As it looks..Note also that DON is the latest (18th) qualified player entry!
Be aware too the CS is still active...on other hand, not sure exactly, but
I plan to work over it at least 3-4 days..actually even there is possibility
To be paused and later to be resumed because I like it, I assume you too?

Super League Leader: BN XXII Top - Congrats to XXII's Best Masters!

For Latest Standings of SL:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... s-31-super

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