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Posted: **Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:06 pm**

Breaking News - 02.03.2024:
Shocking news..yes..via this strong tour, we have several Number Ones!!
Very rarely happens, but happens: 3 (three) Champions like in recent LXVIII
But overall draw ratio (99%) is very high too...sure via strong openings and
Via latest Top NN engines plus under more serious cond. etc. it is all right )
But if the goal is to see more wins..then we have to run mainly at fast Bullet,
1 Core, Ponder OFF..otherwise no much way to be beatable these Beasts!
Btw, all current Top 8 books are picked from the other organized: Bullet CS

Blitz Book Champions: Hazel, TURKEY, Unicornio - My Congratulations!

For FINAL Standings of Blitz CS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... s-26-blitz

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/G1BXWTJC#flwmTa4JE ... 28osYLXY5s

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:00 am**

Hello there )

Well, here is a new Bullet Strength test, for the planning new Book CS!

To be more clear:
I share here two standings (of same test) just for comparing Error margin..
And it is clear that with Balsa opening suite...not so much Elo difference!
Actually as same words are going for other strong opening suites too...e.g
About 1000 games is enough..but with my Unique suite, which is less Drawish
About 5%-7% but not so strong as Balsa.. in other words, if determining..
This time, with Unique suite min 1500-2000 games (per player) are required !

Ah one thing more, for anyone missed:
Just if via weak suites..which many called instead of weak = unbalanced ))
Usually I stay far from them... anyhow, in case running serious tours etc.
Then will be not bad if min 4000-5000 games (per player) to be played...
Otherwise..the Error margin is expecting to be very high..that mean we can
Expect points far from reality (I mean not so accurate) Elo points!

And for anyone missed too, not so bad idea to check/ learn over openings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... testings-1
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... testings-2

Ok.. let's back to our current/ actual Strength test )
Be aware that too new Eng entries are coming soon!

A) Standings - close to 500 games (per player):

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 Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Brainlearn 27                   8       7     498   51.1%   95.0% 
   2 Eman 9.90                       3       6     499   50.5%   96.6% 
   3 SF-PB 080124                    1       5     497   50.1%   97.4% 
   4 Polyfish 140124                 0       6     500   50.0%   96.0% 
   5 Incognito 5 Pro                -1       7     496   49.9%   94.6% 
   6 CoolIris 11.80                 -1       5     496   49.9%   97.8% 
   7 ShashChess 34.6                -4       7     500   49.4%   94.0% 
   8 Raid v3.4                      -6       5     498   49.1%   97.0% 

1992 of 4200 games finished.

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B) Standings - after 1050 games (per player):

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Brainlearn 27                   6       5    1050   50.9%   94.6% 
   2 Eman 9.90                       2       4    1050   50.2%   95.7% 
   3 CoolIris 11.80                  1       4    1050   50.2%   95.8% 
   4 SF-PB 080124                    0       4    1050   50.0%   96.0% 
   5 Polyfish 140124                -0       4    1050   50.0%   96.3% 
   6 Incognito 5 Pro                -1       5    1050   49.8%   93.1% 
   7 Raid v3.4                      -2       4    1050   49.7%   95.6% 
   8 ShashChess 34.6                -6       5    1050   49.2%   93.6% 

4200 of 4200 games finished.

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 30s+0.5s, Balsa, 64 Hash, 4-MEN

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:26 am**

BTW, JUST ANOTHER NTERESTING DUEL IS STARTED !!

Zeus 26.5 Blitz (2m+1s) Vs Branlearn 27 Bullet (30s+0.5s)

Some Notes / Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, Balsa, 4-MEN
For Brainlearn 64 MB Hash, for Zeus 128 MB Hash
Min. 1000 Games are planning to be played out...

Meanwhile, any opinions: who will win ?)
Zeus Blitz or Brainlearn Bullet ?

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:46 pm**

UPDATE

Well, here are my latest organized strength testings,
And as we see, mostly are quite close in strength...

SCCT - Bullet Rating (30s+0.5s):

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Brainlearn 27    3780    3    3  1500   51%  3775   95% 
   2 CoolIris 11.80   3778    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   3 SF-PB 080124     3776    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   4 Polyfish 140124  3776    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   5 Raid v3.4        3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   6 CoolIris 11.90   3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   7 SF POLY 220723   3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   95% 
   8 SF POLY 261123   3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   9 Eman 9.90        3775    3    3  1500   50%  3776   95% 
  10 Incognito 5 Pro  3774    3    3  1500   50%  3776   94% 
  11 ShashChess 34.6  3771    3    3  1500   49%  3776   94% 

Rating's Draw Ratio (based on 8250 games) is high: 95%

Here are the next new Duels...Bullet 2024 Vs Blitz 2022
And all of below Duels are played just out of curiosity... enjoy )

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Test 1: Bullet (30s+05s) Vs Blitz (2m+1s): 6 Elo difference
                           
1   Zeus 26.5 2m+1s        +17/-9/=474 50.80%  254.0/500
2   Brainlearn 27 30s+05s  +9/-17/=474 49.20%  246.0/500

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Test 2: Bullet (30s+05s) Vs Blitz (2m+1s): 6 Elo difference
                                            
1   Kayra 1.5 2m+1s         +15/-7/=478 50.80%  254.0/500
2   CoolIris 11.80 30s+05s  +7/-15/=478 49.20%  246.0/500

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Test 3: Bullet (45s+05s) Vs Blitz (2m+1s): No Elo difference
                                                                  
1   Kayra 1.5 2m+1s        +9/-9/=482 50.00%  250.0/500 
2   Brainlearn 27 45s+05s  +9/-9/=482 50.00%  250.0/500

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/uhhFxTJQ#BFHcwaBRA ... Kr0TZ1C_Hc

As final words,
For a better conclusion we need more various strength testings
But anyhow, now we have some data, which seems to be not bad
E.g 2024's Bullet games can be counted as Blitz of 2022 year!!

In other words,
If I will run Bullet Books Tours (by latest SF- Based NN Engines)
The planning games are expecting not so bad in quality too!
Sure we'll see plenty of draws..but if we want to be in trend
For right now I can not see any other way...what about you?

And I hope current new strength results to be useful too!

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:40 pm**

UPDATE 2

NEW HASH TEST (1m+0.5s): 64 MB Vs 128 MB

And as we see, 2.3 Elo (in favor for 64 MB Hash)

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Score of Incognito 128mb vs Incognito 64mb: 5 - 9 - 586 [0.497]
...      Incognito 128mb playing White: 4 - 1 - 295  [0.505] 300
...      Incognito 128mb playing Black: 1 - 8 - 291  [0.488] 300
...      White vs Black: 12 - 2 - 586  [0.508] 600

Elo difference: -2.3 +/- 4.2, LOS: 14.3 %, DrawRatio: 97.7 %
600 of 600 games finished.

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 1m+0.5s, Balsa, 4-MEN
NOTE: Incognito 5 PRO is used (for both players 2 copies installed)

Hope this new HASH test helps too!

Ok dear chess friends, see you later.. )
Sure the games will be shared later too)

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:24 am**

Well, here is mentioned new Bullet tour (1m+0.5s): with 97% draw ratio!
That means in same time, in 100 games: there are minus plus 3 wins...
So very likely I will set 30sec+0.6sec for the next planning Book CS...
At least, via 30s+06s it's expecting not so bad games, plus less draws...
Sure we will see more errors (blunder moves) via Bullet...but here is the key !
Otherwise, let's choose, use such conditions.. that engines will never make mistake )
Besides, I assume that you know already about my recent organized Duels:
Brainlrearn+Cool Iris Bullet Vs Kayra+Zeus Blitz
If you not aware.. Duel's played strength results are ended close to each other!
Sure some may not be so happy...but just in case of more time, cores etc
This time, FUN is going to be dead.. sorry..FUN comes as most important!
And as usual, I say over (who loves to see a lot of draws such as 97%-100% etc.)
What is point of using BIG umbrella..if no much rain on the horizon ?)

Btw, I realized to test some older versions, to see the influences...
So it is clear that even the former Champions are still not dead...!!

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1   Brainlearn 26.5     50.0 - 50.050.0 - 50.050.0 - 50.050.5 - 49.550.5 - 49.551.5 - 48.5**       302.5/600
2   SF POLY 220723      50.0 - 50.050.0 - 50.050.5 - 49.549.5 - 50.551.0 - 49.051.0 - 49.0 **      302.0/600
3   CoolIris 11.90 RM1  50.0 - 50.050.0 - 50.050.0 - 50.050.5 - 49.549.5 - 50.551.5 - 48.5  **     301.5/600  -7933.75
4   SF-PB 051123        50.0 - 50.049.5 - 50.550.0 - 50.050.5 - 49.550.5 - 49.551.0 - 49.0   **    301.5/600  -7935.50
5   Eman 9.90           49.5 - 50.550.5 - 49.549.5 - 50.549.5 - 50.550.5 - 49.549.0 - 51.0    **   298.5/600
6   SunLight 3          49.5 - 50.549.0 - 51.050.5 - 49.549.5 - 50.549.5 - 50.549.5 - 50.5     **  297.5/600
7   Incognito 5 Pro     48.5 - 51.549.0 - 51.048.5 - 51.549.0 - 51.051.0 - 49.050.5 - 49.5      ** 296.5/600

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 60s+0.5s, Balsa, 64 Hash, 4-MEN

GAMES (contains recent hash test games too):
https://mega.nz/file/rtpAFYLD#bYR55cvpL ... vsOAzviyaA

For more info on Openchess:
https://open-chess.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=34183#p34183

Greetings )

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:28 am**

Hello Friends,

SCCT Bullet (30s+0.6s) Candidate CS, played in the name of
Next Book CS... which is planning to be started very soon!

As last entry: a new Raptora 2.3 vers. is participated as well...
Sure as alternatives, many other eng versions are entered too!
So it's clear that we see some Elo improvements than last year
But not much... as we see, Elo difference minus plus 5-10 Elo
And just if using more optimal cond. e.g MP, Blitz, Ponder ON
Then Elo difference is expecting to be less. e.g with slower
Time controls, maybe the Elo difference: 1-2 Elo? Who knows?)
Sure I mean in the period between 12 months (than last year)

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Brainlearn 27    3780    2    2  2800   51%  3776   95% 
   2 CoolIris 11.80   3779    2    3  2700   50%  3776   96% 
   3 RapTora 2.3      3779    3    3  2400   50%  3776   96% 
   4 SF-PB 080124     3778    2    2  2800   50%  3776   96% 
   5 Raid v3.4        3778    2    2  2800   50%  3777   95% 
   6 Brainlearn 26.5  3778    3    3  2200   50%  3776   96% 
   7 Polyfish 140124  3778    2    3  2700   50%  3776   97% 
   8 CoolIris 11.90   3778    3    3  2100   50%  3777   96% 
   9 SF-PB 051123     3778    3    3  2200   50%  3776   96% 
  10 Patzer AI X256   3778    3    3  2100   50%  3776   96% 
  11 Eman 9.90        3778    2    2  2800   50%  3777   96% 
  12 DarkSisTer 8.50  3777    3    3  2000   50%  3776   97% 
  13 SF POLY 261123   3777    2    2  2700   50%  3776   96% 
  14 Killfish 231123  3776    3    3  2000   50%  3776   97% 
  15 Incognito 5 Pro  3776    2    2  2700   50%  3776   95% 
  16 Hazard 3.78      3775    3    3  2000   50%  3776   96% 
  17 Tactical 281023  3775    3    3  2000   50%  3776   97% 
  18 SF POLY 220723   3775    3    2  2700   50%  3777   95% 
  19 SunLight 3       3773    3    3  2100   50%  3776   95% 
  20 XTD 010723       3773    3    3  2100   50%  3776   96% 
  21 SpecTral 5.50    3773    3    3  2100   49%  3776   95% 
  22 AWOL Z11         3773    3    3  2100   49%  3776   95% 
  23 ShashChess 34.6  3771    3    3  1900   49%  3778   94% 
  24 Sawfish 2TC      3768    3    3  1500   49%  3776   94%

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 30s+0.6s, Balsa, 64 Hash, 4-MEN
Note: In the beginning is started at 30s+0.5s but later switched to 30s+0.6s
In other words, mostly of the current games are played at TC: 30sec + 0.6sec

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/D5ginASb#r0qRGjiBY ... mnuNINhpmk

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:33 am**

Hello there )

As usual, I am very pleased to announce,
I managed to start another New Book CS!

Some quick remarks,
Same book players are used so far...exception,
All playing at 30sec+0.6sec, 1 Core, 64 Hash

Note also that
Later newer book updates will be allowed...

And for the moment,
DON is the current Leader...Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!
And any Leader after 1000 games will be titled as Champ

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 DON 010324, SF-PB              14       9     450   52.0%   92.4% 
   2 SENTINEL 5, SF-PB              11       6     449   51.6%   96.0% 
   3 Unicornio-Final, Brain         11       6     450   51.6%   96.0% 
   4 TURKEY 2024, SF-PB             10       6     445   51.5%   96.2% 
   5 HCan 290224, Brain              9       7     446   51.3%   95.1% 
   6 Hazel 290224, Raid              9       8     446   51.2%   94.4% 
   7 ORIONPAX 5, SF-PB               7       7     445   51.0%   95.3% 
   8 Leschats 290224, Eman           6       8     448   50.9%   94.2% 
   9 Bronco 290224, SF-PB            3       7     448   50.4%   94.6% 
  10 Flavo R4, Raid                 -2       7     447   49.8%   94.6% 
  11 Pampa 2, Brain                 -2       9     446   49.8%   92.4% 
  12 SaiLfish 290224, Raid          -2       7     445   49.8%   95.1% 
  13 Dara 010324, Polyf             -4       5     447   49.4%   98.0% 
  14 TURKEY X, Incog                -5       9     447   49.3%   91.9% 
  15 Africaata 290224, Eman         -5       8     446   49.3%   93.7% 
  16 Spartacus AQ2, Brain           -9       6     444   48.8%   96.2% 
  17 Adrio 260224, Eman             -9       7     449   48.7%   95.1% 
  18 Slash 75, Brain               -12       9     446   48.2%   91.9% 
  19 Cevdet 020324, Cool           -14       8     443   48.0%   93.2% 
  20 Cevdet's Dual, Cool           -18       8     447   47.4%   93.1% 

4467 of 10260 games finished.

And please stay tuned.. more info very soon!

GOOD LUCK TO ALL )

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:27 am**

UPDATE 2

And again and again,
3 Leading Books for right now: DON, TURKEY, Unicornio - Congrats !

Note: For future tours (including active tour) and since today,
Just in case of equal points... there will be tie break matches
In other words, only single (one) Champion will be titled...
This request was from TURKEY's authhor (Göktürk Göker) actually
I give him right...Ok. let's see what will be the next results..

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 DON 010324, SF-PB              11       7     806   51.6%   92.4% 
   2 Unicornio-Final, Brain         11       5     807   51.5%   95.4% 
   3 TURKEY 2024, SF-PB             11       5     808   51.5%   95.9% 
   4 SENTINEL 5, SF-PB              10       4     808   51.5%   96.5% 
   5 HCan 290224, Brain              9       5     807   51.4%   95.3% 
   6 ORIONPAX 5, SF-PB               9       5     806   51.2%   94.8% 
   7 Hazel 290224, Raid              8       6     806   51.1%   94.5% 
   8 SaiLfish 290224, Raid           4       6     807   50.6%   94.4% 
   9 Leschats 290224, Eman           2       5     806   50.3%   94.9% 
  10 Pampa 2, Brain                 -1       6     806   49.9%   93.5% 
  11 Dara 010324, Polyf             -2       4     805   49.8%   97.8% 
  12 TURKEY X, Incog                -2       6     806   49.7%   93.4% 
  13 Bronco 290224, SF-PB           -3       6     808   49.6%   94.3% 
  14 Africaata 290224, Eman         -5       5     806   49.3%   95.2% 
  15 Flavo R4, Raid                 -6       6     805   49.2%   94.4% 
  16 Spartacus AQ2, Brain           -8       4     808   48.8%   96.4% 
  17 Slash 75, Brain                -9       6     807   48.8%   92.8% 
  18 Adrio 260224, Eman            -12       5     807   48.3%   94.7% 
  19 Cevdet 020324, Cool           -13       5     805   48.2%   94.7% 
  20 Cevdet's Dual, Cool           -16       6     804   47.7%   93.2% 

8064 of 10260 games finished.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:40 pm**

Breaking News - 07.03.2024:
Just another CS started..and 1st Champion is Unicornio-Final, impressive!
Yes.. Mr. Angel is real master in our book making.. proved again and again!
But this is also true that we have many other 'great' book masters as well!!
Sure we are just in beginning.. let's what will be situation after more entries..
Note also that Book Registrations acceptable, 3 (three) books/updates will
Be allowed (per month) in short, I plan to work longer period over ongoing
Championship...Ok..very soon more entries are coming, for more: Details

The Current Champion: Unicornio-Final - My Congratulations to Angel Morano!
Btw, no much difference (in Top standings) between recent organized tours!

For Latest Rankings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-27

And please be ready for the real 'ARENA' and again
COME and WIN...if you can not..just do not give up!
Sooner or later..you will...but before, exception that
It's required a HARD work, you have to BELIEVE in..!

Greetings )

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