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Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:44 am
by IbaiBuR
I'll give you a list of bots that are strong and are usually online:
I hope that it helps!

I'll try to add more if I remember more so far

Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:02 pm
by Solista
Standing Lichess Nov 25:
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ProteusSF leads the table 6 times. I took the liberty and downloaded all the bullet games of this supposed superstar (download all games below). :lol:

Of the 5394 BULLET games from "ProteusSF" account, only 341 games were played against opponents with Elo over >2800.

Of the 341 games, there were 60 wins, of which ProteusSF losed 53. :angry-banghead: His rating is based on farming and it's no surprise that he doesn't want to play against strong opponents. :twisted:

Against weak opponent admete_bot, ProteusSF played 3077 :roll: of his 5394 games:

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admete_bot is a weak program with an Elo of around 2400. I have stopped playing against such opponents otherwise I would be ashamed. ProteusSF is of course not ashamed, he would also play 100.000 games against such opponents if he could gain another 100 Elo. Maybe he'll do that at some point. He will never want to play against opponents like me. Other people (including here in the forum) have also reported to me that ProteusSF doesn't accept any challenges against them because they are too strong for him. ProteusSF only requires sacrifices for its Elo rating.

Proof, all bullet games from ProteusSF in PGN sorted by date:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/VFVdxAUR

Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:31 pm
by Solista
Next chapter PlayChess:

After ProteusSF initially played his way up to over 3400 Elo through cheating, he played a duel that he clearly lost and plummeted in the rating.

Photo:

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Now he had to cheat again to get to the top. Him, or a friend of his, create a new account today. You always start at 2400 Elo points. Anyone who wins against Elo 2400 does not get any Elo points if they are more than 600 Elo better.

The account EtaBeta23 initially collected Elos. He played first 110 games in a series draw, some of them with the strongest players who played with 30 or more threads. Then the time came for cheating.

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Of the 7 defeats, EtaBeta23 lost 6 times in a row against ProteusSF. That's what cheater superstars like ProteusSF do, who like to boast, but in reality they are a disgrace to our hobby. I watched 3 games, here they are in PGN:

[Event "3 min, rated"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2023.11.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EtaBeta23, Etabeta 231127"]
[Black "ProteuSF-Official, ProteusSFX-AI 23110"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C52"]
[WhiteElo "3221"]
[BlackElo "3339"]
[Annotator "0.26;-0.41"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[EventDate "2023.11.27"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. e4 {0.01/0 1} e5 {0.01/0 0} 2. Nf3 {0.01/0 0} Nc6 {0.01/0 0} 3. Bc4 {0.01/0 0} Bc5 {0.01/0 0} 4. b4 {0.01/0 0} Bxb4 {0.01/0 0} 5. c3 {0.01/0 0} Ba5 {0.01/0 0} 6. d4 {0.01/0 0} d6 {0.01/0 0} 7. Qb3 {0.01/0 0} Qd7 {0.01/0 0} 8. O-O {0.01/0 0} Bb6 {0.01/0 0} 9. Nbd2 {0.01/0 0} Na5 {0.01/0 0} 10. Qc2 {0.01/0 0} f6 {0.01/0 0} 11. a4 {0.01/0 0} Ne7 {0.01/0 0} 12. Ba2 {0.01/0 0} Nec6 {0.01/0 0} 13. Re1 {0.01/0 0} Qe7 {0.01/0 0} 14. Ba3 {0.01/0 0} g5 {0.01/0 0} 15. Nf1 {0.01/0 0} Bg4 {0.01/0 0} 16. d5 {0.01/0 0} Nb8 {0.01/0 0} 17. N3d2 {0.01/0 0} Nd7 {0.01/0 0} 18. Qb1 {0.26/20 6} f5 {-0.41/21 2 (0-0)} 19. h3 {-0.50/25 17 (c4)} f4 {-1.58/23 2} 20. Nh2 {-1.65/19 2 (hxg4)} Bh5 {-2.35/20 2} 21. c4 {-2.38/21 6 (b4)} Rg8 {-2.76/23 5} 22. Ng4 {-2.90/25 11} Bxg4 {-3.30/25 0} 23. hxg4 {-3.05/20 5} O-O-O {-3.30/25 0} 24. Rc1 {-2.91/21 8 (c5)} Rh8 {-3.91/22 2} 25. c5 {-4.02/23 6} Nxc5 {-4.25/23 0} 26. Kf1 {-4.22/22 6 (c4)} h5 {-4.55/22 2} 27. Ke2 {-4.42/22 3 (xc5)} hxg4 {-4.89/21 2} 28. Nc4 {-4.49/18 1 (xc5)} f3+ {-5.96/19 2} 29. gxf3 {-5.39/19 0} Nxc4 {-6.36/23 2 (f6)} 30. Bxc4 {-6.11/21 4 (xc5)} Qf6 {-6.91/19 2} 31. Rc3 {-6.61/20 0} Nxa4 {-7.08/22 2} 32. Rb3 {-6.99/19 3} Rh2 {-7.34/22 0} 33. Bb4 {-7.18/20 4 (b5)} Rxf2+ {-11.27/19 2 (g3)} 34. Kd1 {-8.70/17 1} Rh8 {-12.67/18 0} 35. Be1 {-11.12/18 3 (d3)} Rh1 {-14.22/19 4} 36. Rxa4 {-12.24/18 0} g3 {-15.27/18 3} 37. Rb2 {-12.18/17 0 (a2)} Qxf3+ {-#7/36 2} 38. Be2 {-#6/48 0} Qc3 {-#6/39 0 (xe1+)} 39. Rd2 {0} Rxe1+ {-#5/81 1} 40. Kxe1 {0} g2 {-#4/245 0} 41. Kd1 {0 (g4+)} g1=Q+ {-#2/245 0} 42. Bf1 {0} Qxf1# {-#1/245 0 (Lag: Av=0.42s, max=1.5s)} 0-1

[Event "3 min, rated"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2023.11.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ProteuSF-Official, ProteusSFX-AI 23110"]
[Black "EtaBeta23, Etabeta 231127"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C52"]
[WhiteElo "3371"]
[BlackElo "3190"]
[Annotator "0.32;?ev?"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2023.11.27"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. e4 {0.01/0 0} e5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0.01/0 0} Nc6 {0} 3. Bc4 {0.01/0 0} Bc5 {0} 4. b4 {0.01/0 0} Bxb4 {0} 5. c3 {0.01/0 0} Ba5 {0} 6. d4 {0.01/0 0} d6 {0} 7. Qb3 {0.01/0 0} Qd7 {0} 8. O-O {0.01/0 0} Bb6 {0} 9. Nbd2 {0.01/0 0} Na5 {0} 10. Qc2 {0.01/0 0} f6 {0} 11. a4 {0.01/0 0} Ne7 {0} 12. Ba2 {0.01/0 0} Nec6 {0} 13. Re1 {0.01/0 0} Qe7 {0} 14. Ba3 {0.01/0 0} g5 {0} 15. Nf1 {0.01/0 0} Bg4 {0} 16. d5 {0.01/0 0} Nb8 {0} 17. N3d2 {0.01/0 0} Nd7 {0} 18. Rab1 {0.32/24 2} O-O {7 (c5)} 19. Rb5 {0.98/26 5} a6 {10 (h8)} 20. Rxb6 {1.71/24 2} cxb6 {17} 21. Ne3 {1.98/30 0} Bh5 {3} 22. Nf5 {2.02/24 0} Qe8 {15} 23. Bxd6 {2.17/27 0} Nc5 {2 (g6)} 24. Bxf8 {2.32/23 2} Kxf8 {2} 25. Qb1 {2.39/22 0} b5 {3} 26. Nf1 {2.41/25 0} Qd7 {10 (b6)} 27. h4 {2.98/21 2} h6 {5 (g6)} 28. N1g3 {3.72/22 2} Bf7 {3 (g6)} 29. Nxh6 {4.54/19 2} gxh4 {1} 30. Ngf5 {4.71/21 3} Rd8 {0 (h5)} 31. axb5 {5.59/22 3} Ra8 {2 (axb5)} 32. Qd1 {6.57/20 2} Be8 {1} 33. Qg4 {7.69/21 1} Qh7 {1} 34. Qxh4 {7.83/21 0} Bh5 {2 (d7)} 35. Qxf6+ {11.42/21 2} Ke8 {0} 36. Qxe5+ {12.53/20 2} Kd8 {2} 37. Qf6+ {13.42/18 0} Ke8 {2 (d7)} 38. e5 {30.89/22 5} b6 {2 (d7)} 39. e6 {#7/40 2} Ncb7 {0 (ab7)} 40. d6 {#5/81 1} Nc5 {0 (d8)} 41. d7+ {#2/245 0} Qxd7 {0 (xd7)} 42. Qh8# {#1/245 0 (Lag: Av=0.39s, max=1.9s)} 1-0

[Event "3 min, rated"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2023.11.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EtaBeta23, Etabeta 231127"]
[Black "ProteuSF-Official, ProteusSFX-AI 23110"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C52"]
[WhiteElo "3181"]
[BlackElo "3380"]
[Annotator "?ev?;-0.47"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[EventDate "2023.11.27"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. e4 {0} e5 {0.01/0 0} 2. Nf3 {0} Nc6 {0.01/0 0} 3. Bc4 {0} Bc5 {0.01/0 0} 4. b4 {0} Bxb4 {0.01/0 0} 5. c3 {0} Ba5 {0.01/0 0} 6. d4 {0} d6 {0.01/0 0} 7. Qb3 {0} Qd7 {0.01/0 0} 8. O-O {0} Bb6 {0.01/0 0} 9. Nbd2 {0} Na5 {0.01/0 0} 10. Qc2 {0} f6 {0.01/0 0} 11. a4 {0} Ne7 {0.01/0 0} 12. Ba2 {0} Nec6 {0.01/0 0} 13. Re1 {0} Qe7 {0.01/0 0} 14. Ba3 {0} g5 {0.01/0 0} 15. Nf1 {0} Bg4 {0.01/0 0} 16. d5 {0} Nb8 {0.01/0 0} 17. N3d2 {0} Nd7 {0.01/0 0} 18. h3 {10} Bh5 {-0.47/23 2} 19. Ne3 {7 (ab1)} Bxe3 {-0.39/26 5} 20. Rxe3 {1} b6 {-0.33/24 1} 21. Ree1 {3 (b4)} O-O {-0.67/27 5} 22. Bb4 {8} Nb7 {-0.63/28 0} 23. Nf1 {2 (a5)} a5 {-0.97/27 5} 24. Ba3 {1} Ndc5 {-0.99/28 6} 25. Bc4 {1} Be8 {-1.05/22 0} 26. Bb5 {5 (c1)} Bxb5 {-1.02/25 2} 27. axb5 {2} Qd7 {-1.11/23 0} 28. Bc1 {4 (g3)} Qxb5 {-1.59/25 2} 29. Ne3 {2 (e3)} Qd3 {-3.23/22 1} 30. f3 {7 (xd3)} Qxc2 {-3.60/24 2} 31. Nxc2 {2} Nb3 {-3.71/27 0} 32. Rb1 {4} Nxc1 {-3.80/28 0} 33. Rexc1 {5 (bxc1)} f5 {-3.94/29 1} 34. exf5 {8} Rxf5 {-3.99/29 0} 35. Na3 {3} Raf8 {-3.98/28 1} 36. Kf1 {2 (b5)} e4 {-4.39/24 2} 37. c4 {0 (b5)} exf3 {-4.57/29 5} 38. Re1 {0} Nc5 {-4.60/24 1} 39. g4 {4 (b5)} Rf4 {-5.51/21 2} 40. Ra1 {2 (c2)} h5 {-6.65/21 2} 41. Rac1 {1 (e6)} hxg4 {-8.20/23 2} 42. hxg4 {1} Rxg4 {-8.55/21 0} 43. Nb5 {1 (e3)} Nd3 {-11.94/20 2} 44. Re7 {1 (ed1)} Rh4 {-#7/58 1} 45. Rh7 {0 (g1)} Rxh7 {-#5/154 1} 46. Kg1 {0} Rf4 {-#4/245 0} 47. c5 {0 (c2)} Rg4+ {-#2/245 0} 48. Kf1 {0} Rh1# {-#1/245 0 (Lag: Av=0.31s, max=1.2s)} 0-1

Previously 110 games draw, and now checkmate in series in less than 50 moves. These are destroyers of our hobby and that's why I showed the games for everyone to see.

Download PGN:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/sZ9PU7f8

Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:23 pm
by Solista
From another Forum (about ProteusSF):
In Lichess the BOT is called "EtaBetaIta" (very similar name of the PlayChess account), and we can confirm it is his account because of the title of the youtube video and the name of the channel.

SAD.

Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:51 pm
by Solista
I appeal to ChessBase - to stop allowing people to brag and cheat others on the server! Here two members even publicly admit that they manipulated. If these two fight a war, then please no longer at the expense of honest members who play and pay honestly.

Discussion on PlayChess November 28, 2023:

SolistaChess: In Lichess the BOT is called "EtaBetaIta" (very similar name
of the PlayChess account), and we can confirm it is his account because of
the title of the youtube video and the name of the channel.
SolistaChess: Proteus SF account
Charlie Bronson: yes its him
Charlie Bronson: he is everywhere
SolistaChess: he played against itsself
Charlie Bronson: yes he does that all the time
Kunkka: like anyone even cares about that guy anymore
Kunkka: lol hilarious idiot
Kunkka: Etabeta23 is confirmed ProteuSF other account btw
Charlie Bronson: also pirata
Charlie Bronson: he steals points with etabeta and gives it to main account]

PSYCOTRANCE: hello friends, here i come to clarify that my other account
Asrock have an obvious fake ELO, and i want to remember you all that i dont
have the need to hold that false ELO, the real pourpose is to troll this
Proteus Scammer and avoid him of having the satisfaction on being the nº1,
you all know that him search for false glory, i only want to expose the
hipocresy and scammers and castigate him

ProteuSF-Official: THIS IS MY PROTEST TO CHESSBASE, WHY YOU DO NOT SAY THE
SAME FOR PSYCOTRANCE AND FLYING KING?

Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:45 am
by Solista
Falling down:

The two maximum ratings of ProteusSF on PlayChess (even over 3400 Elo) resulted from cherry picking and cheating (2x). If he doesn't cheat, his rating drops. It's normal that no one can always be at the top if they play honestly. After cheating against himself, he now played 32 games normally like everyone else.

It looks like this:
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Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:08 am
by Solista
After playing honestly for 32 games without success, ProteusSF has to cheat again. He has an inner compulsion to deceive other people. Cheaters can't stop cheating because they're evil:

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Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:03 am
by Solista
@IbaiBuR:

I see you keep a Leaderbord list on Lichess. Just for your information:
I am not interested in this list at all and do not want to be included there. What do you want from me?

That's why it's strange that you banned my bots from the list (Farming after only 213 Bullet and 103 Blitz games :rotfl:). I don't want to be on this list and I didn't ask to be there.

I play Lichess just for my own fun and also to test my opening books. Which bots I play against is my personal matter. The fact is that with my EdoBot, for example, I only played a total of 213 bullet games (Blitz only 103 games). I can do that on PlayChess in two days! The last time I played on Lichess with EdoBot was on November 8th, 2023, now it's December 17th. The reason? After I played a few rated games against a strong bot, the server canceled a nice win. Here is a photo of it:

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Not everything that glitters on Lichess is gold. On PlayChess all my wins counts. You want me to only play against strong bots, right? I wanted to do it too, but the server canceled my winnings. Then I prefer to play against weaker bots and I don't have to be annoyed if I win but don't get any Elo points. But right now I don't want to play Lichess at all, and your lists don't interest me.

Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:14 pm
by Solista
@IbaiBuR:

I don't like your leaderboard. I'm not interested in it and I don't know your rules exactly. How many games can I play against weak opponents so that I am not considered a farming cheater? I have no idea. The fact is that I only played 103 blitz games in total, and that makes me a cheater in blitz. That's a joke, sorry! I started with 2000 Elo points on Lichess (or is it just 1800?). So I play against everyone first, that's normal. By the way, the Server_Elo is not stable until you have played 75 games. Before that there is a “?” after the Elo number. And then after 103 games you come and accuse me of farming in the Blitz discipline?

Lists are all well and good. But if someone like you comes and accuses people of fraud, that is slander! I don't know your rules, nor have I signed up for this (unofficial) list. You added me to your list without asking me (whether automatically or not, it doesn't matter). And then you throw me out again - and I have no idea why I'm even on this list? No thanks. Please remove me completely from your list, I don't want to be there. Then you don't have to banish me because I didn't do anything wrong. I have not broken any Lichess rules, and you have no right to public banish me. I don't play to brag, but who I play against, is up to me!

Re: Engine-Test Experiment on Lichess

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:05 pm
by Solista
My final statement:
https://solistachess.jimdosite.com/solista-news/

19. Dec 2023: The well-known computer gamer IbaiBuR keeps a leader board ranking of bots on lichess. He wrote a script that automatically puts all Lichess bots in his private rating list. He invented his own rules for this list. Anyone who doesn't follow these rules will be banished. I don't want to be included in this list because it doesn't interest me. Nevertheless, he registered me. Because I didn't follow his rules, I've now been banned from this list --> HERE. This list has nothing to do with Lichess rules. I didn't break any rules. Anyone who sees this list will of course believe that it comes from Lichess, which is not the case. Nevertheless, IbaiBuR treats me as a cheater. One reason: I created a new account and won --> 71 games (haha) in a row and drew three times. The IbaiBuR didn't like that because my opponents were too weak in his eyes! Anyone who doesn't play the way IbaiBuR wants will be banned! He is welcome to do whatever he wants with his lists, but if his lists suggest that they are official Lichess rankings, then that is defamation of players who have not broken any rules and specific wishes from IbaiBuR have not been followed.

Have a nice day.