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Posted: **Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:12 pm**

Breaking News (09.10.2023):
Another new update, half qualified, half could not..again and again Hubble
Was not so lucky...really many times Mr. Mehmet's book is quite close..but...
On other hand, the good news is that Mr. Angel Morano plus Mr. Hurnavich
New books are qualified..note also that only CachoSCCT opt will be played...
I mean older one CachoSCCT will be replaced with the new updated vers.
And as we see, when the books are super strong...success is no accident!
Btw, Guzelkiz even very old-dated (like DON-B) is managed..but no surprise,
Since exactly the same Guzelkiz is the Champion of B/N VII Championship
Note also that I've managed to start Super League as well...good luck to all!

For 2nd League Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... book-cs-66

Posted: **Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:40 pm**

Update

Super League's LIVE Ranking:

Btw, Red Dragon book (by Ian Hurnavich) has a good start.. nice !!
Sure the competition is just in the beginning...CachoSCCT opt or
Any other may overcome in the next rounds...who knows ?!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Red Dragon                     29      36      71   54.2%   80.3% 
   2 CachoSCCT opt                  24      43      73   53.4%   71.2% 
   3 Breaker 1.0                    20      36      70   52.9%   80.0% 
   4 Pimienta                       14      36      73   52.1%   79.5% 
   5 DON Hercules 2                 14      36      74   52.0%   79.7% 
   6 DON-B                          10      36      71   51.4%   80.3% 
   7 OPTIMUS 4                       9      29      74   51.4%   86.5% 
   8 Zaytsev                         5      21      72   50.7%   93.1% 
   9 OlisFish 260923                 5      39      72   50.7%   76.4% 
  10 Everest 300923                  5      42      74   50.7%   71.6% 
  11 V by Kerveros                   0      33      72   50.0%   83.3% 
  12 ORIONPAX2                       0      39      70   50.0%   77.1% 
  13 HCanFree Upd                    0      40      73   50.0%   75.3% 
  14 HCan Upd                        0      32      73   50.0%   83.6% 
  15 Goi forum                      -5      27      75   49.3%   88.0% 
  16 1337chess X                    -5      34      72   49.3%   81.9% 
  17 SARI 300923                    -9      29      74   48.6%   86.5% 
  18 Chucaro 4 Upd2                -10      26      73   48.6%   89.0% 
  19 ShadRach                      -10      30      72   48.6%   86.1% 
  20 LesChats 071023               -14      30      74   48.0%   85.1% 
  21 FireOnBIN                     -25      39      71   46.5%   76.1% 
  22 SENTINEL 2                    -28      31      74   45.9%   83.8% 
  23 Guzelkiz 220522               -29      36      71   45.8%   80.3% 

834 of 5060 games finished.

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:47 am**

Breaking News of Super League - 09.10.2023:
DON DON DON...again managed as Number One..really just amazing!
Yes in same time that means, The Father (Vasid Chouhan) proves again
DON used openings are too dangerous, especially vs new trend ones!!
Btw, this is also true that if I course a little bit over.. then how happy I'm
Sure, the first Champion is still not so clear, Red Dragon, SENTINEL etc.
Are serious candidates to be next Number One, in the end, time will tell..
Note also that any Book Leader (after 500 games) will be titled Champ!
And Top 10 (with highest points) will be qualified into planning Ultimate..

Super League's Leader DON Hercules 2 - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!

For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... s-66-super

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:06 pm**

Breaking News (09.10.2023):
Via latest update, 7 books participated, where mostly are qualified...not bad!

Second League Leader: SENTINEL 2 -Congrats to Roger Constantinesco!

For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... book-cs-66

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:04 pm**

Breaking News - 09.10.2023:
Well, via latest entries...now all books contain 540 games (per player)
So, the 1st Champions are already clear.. note also that via Bayeselo,
Both public books (OPTIMUS 4 and OlisFish 260923) ranked with same Elo,
But after checking closely (via SCID) 0.5 point in favor for OPTIMUS 4
On other hand, I'm impressed also by all qualified players...because,
Many of them can be considered as old dated, so no much chances
To be Winners...but no doubt that they are fighting as real Gladiators!
So nothing strange with current rankings..Btw, very soon Ultimate tour
Will be started (via Top 11 books by Raubfish SC engine), Good Luck!

Private Book Champion: DON Hercules - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!
Public Book Champion: OPTIMUS -Congrats to Roger Constantinesco!

For Super League's Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... s-66-super

Greetings )

Posted: **Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:05 pm**

Second League's Breaking News (10.10.2023):
Via current update, just only 1 opening books is entered and qualified..nice!
Note that Second League is paused.. even there is a possibility to be ended...
Reason, I need to take rest, you know.. not so easy to organize serious and
Series of tours..and sometimes I wonder with how many testers I can compete?)

For 2nd League's Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... book-cs-66

Super League's Breaking News (10.10.2023):
DON book is leading as before... but via this update other ranks changed
Yes.. we have a strong entry... managed to be in Top 3...really impressive!!
And after checking closely...Mr. Roger's book series are doing very good..!
Mr. Hurnavich's Red Dragon book is performed so good as well (currently 2nd)
Everest is Everest (by Mr. Ivan Alekseev) fully deserves this name for sure!
Mr. Hamdullah's Zaytsev (even as old-dated) is still among the best books!
Same words are going for many books too... e.g by Mr. Angel Morano etc...
Note also Super League paused too even there is a possibility to be ended..
Btw, ORIONPAX3 entered into Ultimate tour too..so if not today, tomorrow
I hope to share latest new Ultimate tour's results..and please stay tuned )

For Super League League's Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... book-cs-66

Greetings )

Posted: **Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:54 pm**

Ultimate League's Breaking News - 11.10.2023:
Current tours are ended..BIG thanks and congratulations to all book authors!
Everest Everest Everest..managed to be Winner..great performance indeed!
Also good points come by Mr Angel's books: CachoSCCT 2nd, Pimienta 3rd
Actually in this Ultimate League: all of the Top books performed not so bad...
Btw, this time DON Hercules could not be as Champion, but it's quite normal..
it seems via NNUE assistance...vs current Top players...situation is different..
However, in latest organized tourneys, there are many ranks via participants...
So you can appreciate any standing...which you like more..it's your choice !)
Btw, if comparing Elo improvement points over Zaytsev, which played: BN X
We will see about 20 Elo diff. (in 6 months in favor for Everest 300923 book)
In short, I'd like to point out that the strongest opening theory is still not dead!
Where I can't say same words for Stockfish's Elo improvements..e.g via short
Strong openings (Balsa suite) no much Elo difference since many months!
Exception, in case of weak openings..we may see some SF improvements!

Ultimate League Champion EVEREST - Congratulations to Ivan Alekseev!

For Ultimate League's Ranking:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bn-cs-18

Games:
https://mega.nz/file/u5ZzkYrQ#j_JOXnNqD ... 4ZFG7UkTgM

Btw, I tested Everest book as NON-NNUE too (via Cfish 030820)
So now we can compare books strength (NNNE vs NON-NNUE)

To be more clear,
Cfish 030920 NON-NNUE is played via Everest 300923 book too,
Where all Everest NON-NN's opponents used Raunfish SC engine,
So under current conditions, we see about 80 Elo difference..
Frankly not bad...Btw, if we are going to compare with older
Everest NON-NNUE (in BNX tour): the Elo difference is about 63

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Everest 300923   3776    7    7   550   53%  3755   87% 
   2 Pimienta         3766    6    7   600   53%  3751   91% 
   3 CachoSCCT opt    3766    6    7   600   53%  3751   88% 
   4 ShadRach         3763    7    7   600   52%  3751   87% 
   5 ORIONPAX3        3762    7    7   600   52%  3751   87% 
   6 OPTIMUS 4        3756    7    7   600   51%  3752   91% 
   7 SENTINEL 2       3756    7    7   600   51%  3752   93% 
   8 Zaytsev          3755    7    7   600   51%  3752   92% 
   9 DON Hercules 2   3750    7    7   600   50%  3752   91% 
  10 LesChats 071023  3750    7    7   600   50%  3752   91% 
  11 Red Dragon       3746    7    7   600   49%  3753   88% 
  12 OlisFish 260923  3739    7    6   600   48%  3753   90% 
  13 Everest NON-NN   3695    5    5   550   36%  3755   63%

Note: Everest NON-NN = Everest 300923 by Cfish 030920 NON-NNUE

Games (database consists only Everest NON-NNUE gauntlet games)
https://mega.nz/file/zhYSWTDI#qIsEKh4nm ... I83CgYgWPA

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:24 am**

Update

Ultimate League - NNUE vs NON-NNUE:

Meanwhile, it is a shocking news is that,
After checking more closely... I've noticed also that
Everest NON-NN book is managed to perform better:

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1   Everest NON-NN   +12/-8/=30 54.00%   27.0/50
2   OlisFish 260923  +8/-12/=30 46.00%   23.0/50

What I can say more over these important issues,
A superior strong book is something like that,
May win even via disadvantage test conditions!

Greetings

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:25 am**

Meanwhile, another shocking news for today:

According to new SCCT strength testings V:
DON Hercules 2 played even via Cfish 030820 NON-NNUE
This is not all.. I set 2m+1s for DON Hercules's book,
Where Lion 110423 book is played via Raubfish SC NNUE
Besides, I set 4m+2s for Lion 110423's opening book

And even under disadvantage test conditions,
DON NON-NNUE performed about 56 Elo better:

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1 DON Hercules 2 NON-NN  +16/-8/=26 58.00%   29.0/50
2 Lion 110423 NNUE       +8/-16/=26 42.00%   21.0/50

What I can say more,
Once more we noticed that DON fully deserves 'Hercules' name !)

Ok...that's all for now...I have many other new strength testings..
So..soon as possible, I hope to share all latest results, games etc.

https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... testings-5

Greetings )

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:45 pm**

Here is another new test, where all played via Raubfish SC via 30sec+0.5sec,
Exception, only DON NON-NN book is played by Cfish 030820 via 2min+1sec

Under these cond... it's clear that NNUE is much stronger than NON-NNUE
E.g if we comparing..NNUE Bullet is about 40 Elo over Blitz NON-NNUE
(Sure I'm referring..if we are comparing both DON Hercules's recent results)

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 ORIONPAX3        3768    7    8   600   52%  3753   89% 
   2 Everest 300923   3763    8    8   600   52%  3753   84% 
   3 DON Hercules 2   3763    8    8   550   51%  3756   90% 
   4 LesChats 071023  3762    8    8   600   51%  3753   88% 
   5 CachoSCCT opt    3757    8    8   600   51%  3754   91% 
   6 OlisFish 260923  3757    8    8   600   51%  3754   94% 
   7 ShadRach         3757    8    8   600   50%  3754   88% 
   8 OPTIMUS 4        3756    8    8   600   50%  3754   94% 
   9 SENTINEL 2       3755    8    8   600   50%  3754   91% 
  10 Zaytsev          3750    8    8   600   49%  3754   91% 
  11 Pimienta         3749    8    8   600   49%  3754   87% 
  12 Red Dragon       3741    8    7   600   48%  3755   88% 
  13 DON NON-NN 2m1s  3724    8    7   550   45%  3756   80%

Note: DON NON-NN 2m1s = DON Hercules 2 by Cfish 030820, used 2min+1sec

More results coming soon...

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