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Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:07 am
by Fringe407
Solista wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:53 pm
Keep the book! I would give it to you for free too.
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This line is funny, which was changed by the developers to VVLTC search tune:
SF dev "VVLTC search tune" changed:
Depth Search::Worker::reduction(bool i, Depth d, int mn, int delta) {
int reductionScale = reductions[d] * reductions[mn];
- return (reductionScale + 1091 - delta * 759 / rootDelta) / 1024 + (!i && reductionScale > 950);
+
return (reductionScale + 1107 - delta * 725 / rootDelta) / 1024 + (!i && reductionScale > 956);
And what does it say in HypnoS 240324 VVLTC search tune? So:
Depth reduction(bool i, Depth d, int mn, int delta, int rootDelta) {
int reductionScale = Reductions[d] * Reductions[mn];
return (reductionScale + 1346 - int(delta) * 896 / int(rootDelta)) / 1024
+ (!i && reductionScale > 880);
Absolute wrong (very old SF code, no VVLTC search tune).
My dear friend Eduard,
I have no doubt you'll give me your book. Beautiful people must always exist. Thank you again, my friend, for the good work you do on behalf of chess engines and books.
Best regards,
Fringe
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:43 am
by Solista
INCOGNITO 8 is really good. I have carried out a test against HypnoS 240324. It should be noted that INCOGNITO 8 is a special engine for analysis and is clearly superior to HypnoS here.
Nevertheless, I did a bullet test, but not 1+1 but 2+1.
GUI Fritz 19
8 Threads/Engine (5000 kns)
Hash 256 MB/Engine
Ponder ON (important for online gaming)
Syzygy all 3456 men
Book EN-Select (with color swap)
Timecontrol 2m + 1s
Result:
All games:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/fFxC8qDC
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:00 pm
by Fringe407
My dear friend Eduard,
I'm doing two big tests and it's being played now. There are 3 engines belonging to you, in total 10 engines are competing.
The INC8 is very powerful and is the engine I use for my lichess bot. But I'm still a fan of Light 26.3. I wish you would make the NNUE embedded version in your next series.
It will take about 2 days for my test results. Played for 3 days. I will share the results.
Best regards,
Fringe
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:52 pm
by Fringe407
First test:
Test book: Balsa270423
Time:1+1
Threads:1
Hash:64
Code: Select all
Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 Light 26.3 14 11 180 51.9% 95.0%
2 SF-PB-220324 10 10 180 51.4% 96.1%
3 JigSaw v5.1 10 8 180 51.4% 97.2%
4 stockfish_24032617 6 8 180 50.8% 97.2%
5 Big-SF 220324 6 11 180 50.8% 95.0%
6 HypnoS 240324 4 9 180 50.6% 96.7%
7 INCOGNITO 8 2 7 180 50.3% 98.3%
8 TacticaL Gear 3.1 0 9 180 50.0% 96.7%
9 corchess220324 -2 11 180 49.7% 95.0%
10 dragon-3.3 -49 19 180 43.1% 85.0%
1. pgn:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/9pvmYAEM
Second test:
Test book: UHO2024
Time:1+1
Threads:1
Hash:64
Code: Select all
Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 Big-SF 220324 35 38 180 55.0% 45.6%
2 SF-PB-220324 29 35 180 54.2% 52.8%
3 HypnoS 240324 21 37 180 53.1% 47.2%
4 Light 26.3 15 36 180 52.2% 51.1%
5 TacticaL Gear 3.1 15 35 180 52.2% 52.2%
6 stockfish_24032617 14 35 180 51.9% 51.7%
7 corchess220324 14 35 180 51.9% 51.7%
8 INCOGNITO 8 -2 37 180 49.7% 47.2%
9 JigSaw v5.1 -6 38 180 49.2% 45.0%
10 dragon-3.3 -143 34 180 30.6% 52.2%
2. pgn:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/cE441CCJ
Dear friends
Here are two tournaments with the same engine but different books. With the UHO opening book, we ensured fewer draws, while the Balsa opening book was evaluated by offering higher draws.
Conclusion:
I think we need more games to evaluate the results of the tournament where no parameters changed. As my dear friend Sedat said, we cannot see a similarity in the results.
Best regards,
Fringe.
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:05 am
by Gannicus
Your statements are incorrect, you lack the expertise to back them up
Otherwise the programmers in the stockfish community wouldn't waste time testing my code
https://tests.stockfishchess.org/tests
The HypnoS code is simply structured based on my needs for compatibility with the various vb.NET tools that I want to continue using
- so refactoring is missing
- all patches related to it are missing
- Patches intentionally omitted due to incompatibility are missing with the tools I use
so stop talking nonsense.
Solista wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:08 pm
Like I said, it's a mix of old and new in the Hypnos 190324 version. Just two quick comparisons, the hypnos code here is 2 months older than the SF dev code.
SF dev:
for (size_t i = 1; i < reductions.size(); ++i)
reductions
= int((19.80 + std::log(size_t(options["Threads"])) / 2) * std::log(i));
Hypnos dev
for (int i = 1; i < MAX_MOVES; ++i)
Reductions = int((20.37 + std::log(Threads.size()) / 2) * std::log(i));
---
SF dev.
Depth Search::Worker::reduction(bool i, Depth d, int mn, int delta) {
int reductionScale = reductions[d] * reductions[mn];
return (reductionScale + 1091 - delta * 759 / rootDelta) / 1024 + (!i && reductionScale > 950);
Hypnos dev.
Depth reduction(bool i, Depth d, int mn, int delta, int rootDelta) {
int reductionScale = Reductions[d] * Reductions[mn];
return (reductionScale + 1346 - int(delta) * 896 / int(rootDelta)) / 1024
+ (!i && reductionScale > 880);
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My Solista Attack book is commercial, I sell it, it's not free. I have two versions, BIN and CTG. Which one do you use? The current version is 8.4.
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:17 pm
by Solista
It's simply not the same as SF dev "VVLTC search tune". If you take 33 of the 38 parameters and call that a "VVLTC search tune", then that is not 100% correct. Feel free to call it nonsense, but I can tell 33 from 38. It's about the name, not your engine. When I see "VVLTC search tune" then I believe that this is exactly 100% the case with SF dev. That's not the case, it's suggesting to me something that isn't the case. I would therefore like to point out the difference. You're welcome to go your own way, it's all good. But point out the difference to SF dev.
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:20 pm
by Gannicus
I was and am on my way
I don't care about your wrong opinions.
However, if you don't want to be bitten, don't pull the dog's tail.
You write in all the forums that everyone is against you... but it's you who instigates people first and believe me this is quite annoying in my case.
Your best choice would be to ignore me like I do you.
Go and make war on those who attack you, I am not among them.
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:47 pm
by Solista
All I did was point out that your engine is not the same as Stockfish. That's all. I'll take the liberty of pointing this out even if you don't like it. I'm sorry, but I don't see how I should believe what you would like. Everyone is welcome to be against me, I don't mind. It is what it is, and your version is not identical to Stockfish - everyone likes to believe that - I don't.
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:36 pm
by Fringe407
Gannicus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:05 am
Your statements are incorrect, you lack the expertise to back them up
Otherwise the programmers in the stockfish community wouldn't waste time testing my code
https://tests.stockfishchess.org/tests
The HypnoS code is simply structured based on my needs for compatibility with the various vb.NET tools that I want to continue using
- so refactoring is missing
- all patches related to it are missing
- Patches intentionally omitted due to incompatibility are missing with the tools I use
so stop talking nonsense.
Solista wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:08 pm
Like I said, it's a mix of old and new in the Hypnos 190324 version. Just two quick comparisons, the hypnos code here is 2 months older than the SF dev code.
SF dev:
for (size_t i = 1; i < reductions.size(); ++i)
reductions
= int((19.80 + std::log(size_t(options["Threads"])) / 2) * std::log(i));
Hypnos dev
for (int i = 1; i < MAX_MOVES; ++i)
Reductions = int((20.37 + std::log(Threads.size()) / 2) * std::log(i));
---
SF dev.
Depth Search::Worker::reduction(bool i, Depth d, int mn, int delta) {
int reductionScale = reductions[d] * reductions[mn];
return (reductionScale + 1091 - delta * 759 / rootDelta) / 1024 + (!i && reductionScale > 950);
Hypnos dev.
Depth reduction(bool i, Depth d, int mn, int delta, int rootDelta) {
int reductionScale = Reductions[d] * Reductions[mn];
return (reductionScale + 1346 - int(delta) * 896 / int(rootDelta)) / 1024
+ (!i && reductionScale > 880);
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My Solista Attack book is commercial, I sell it, it's not free. I have two versions, BIN and CTG. Which one do you use? The current version is 8.4.
This is not a language of discussion, not a language of criticism. On the contrary, you're the one who ruined a good conversation. If something is wrong or needs to be corrected, you should state it in proper language. You are attacking the subject like a provocateur. We would be happy if you change your spelling and express what you know, my word to you Gannicus.
Re: Fringe- Special Engine and Book Tests
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:36 pm
by Gannicus
I finally agree with what you say
My engine is absolutely not identical to the stockfish
I don't want it to be and it never will be.