Dear Friends,
Meanwhile, just I'd like to inform you that
New exiting NNUE CS is coming very soon !!
Note that this time as Players will be
Public chess engines and only up to 25 MB
(sure in uncompressed size) will be allowed!
Yes..this is a new idea..actually in most of
My organized contests, SCCT has size rules..
Especially in Book, plus some Eng tours too,
And why 'Size' rules are so important?
1st reason,
Sure for more fair conditions, if not.. just imagine,
We play each other... I will use 100 MB, but
You will use 5 MB, what many guys will say ?!
Not FAIR at all...right ?) or maybe here I'm
Missing something ?
2nd reason,
Via HUGE assistance any fool can play stronger!
But a small note, as most important/impressive:
What about playing with less help (assistance) ?!
By the way,
Some Book Authors..plus I've created many tiny (1-2 MB) books,
Which performed not so so bad...and just only a few of them,
DON Hercules, Optimus etc.. are managed to be Winners !!
Especially DON Hercules series shocked many many times...!
And why not smaller Engines in size to be not Winners too ?
On other hand, even 25 MB is not so small..but if limiting less..
Then I'm afraid that I've to switch to Classic (NON-NN) tours
3rd reason,
Simply to save free hard disk space and time..
You may know, time is money! Moreover,
It's ideal when my hardware contains more space!
Like, it's nice and relax to live in BIG room )
And let's see under these hard conditions..
Which Engines will be the Best of Best ?
And please stay tuned.. more info soon..
Greetings )
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Just I'd like to add,
As far as possible, in new tour: 3500+ Elo players will be participated
Because I've no interest to test...e.g if NNUE (playing via assistance)
And to be weaker..we are in 2024, sorry and thanks for understanding!
As far as possible, in new tour: 3500+ Elo players will be participated
Because I've no interest to test...e.g if NNUE (playing via assistance)
And to be weaker..we are in 2024, sorry and thanks for understanding!
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UPDATE
NNUE LIV's Candidates CS 3700+
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NNUE LIV's Candidates CS 3500+
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/ytBQySaT#13PHqI-uP ... 2Js9IBNkC8
And please stay tuned...
Very soon BIG update is coming,
And with so many players...e.g
if I'm not wrong: 41 engines !
And later...
This tour stats will be not so bad indicator
About comparing Eng Size / Performance!
Sure up to 25 MB (uncompressed) ...
By the way, if you are goıing to ask the
Overall size of current 41 players are
Close to 250 MB in compressed !!
And just imagine again...e.g there are
Such eng releases, I mean as single, but
They are much bigger in size than 41...
If not so clear, to see the reality..
You have to be in my shoes.. !)
A small note more, only for the current CS,
I downloaded/tested over than 70 engines!
Even not mentioning the opening books ..)
Ok friends...see you later )
And have a nice weekend...
NNUE LIV's Candidates CS 3700+
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1 Ditto 130221 271.5/500
2 Spider 080621 271.0/500
3 Cfish 250621 269.0/500
4 Stockfish 170521 267.0/500
5 CiChess 040121 262.5/500
6 ShashChess 16 256.5/500
7 Raubfisch X45 240.0/500
8 Fisherov v0.98m 238.0/500
9 Bluefish 13.1a 228.0/500
10 Honey 13.1 227.0/500
11 Crystal 3.1 219.5/500
More Details:
In this tourney, only played the ones which released
With same and as default net: nn-62ef826d1a6d.nnue
In other words, target to pick exc. Stockfish, plus
The strongest SF based engine with the mentioned net..
So Ditto 13021971 managed to be as qualified player!
Btw, otherwise..I mean regarding for official CS LIV,
If all participants are going to play with same net..
Simply then...would not be too boring ?)NNUE LIV's Candidates CS 3500+
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1 Halogen 12 121.5/176
2 Pawn 3.0 111.0/176
3 Midnight 9 91.5/176
4 Pedone 3.1 84.5/176
5 Devre 4.0 84.0/176
6 Cheng 4.48 82.5/176
7 Igel 3.2.0 80.0/176
8 BlackCore 6.0 76.5/176
9 Rebel 15 60.5/176
More Details:
Via this Candidate CS, the target is simply
To pick those ones with better performance...
In short, Halogen + Pawn are qualified too!
Be aware too,
Arasan 23.5 + Smallbrain 7 out... tested vs
Many others, but both performed not so good..
https://mega.nz/file/ytBQySaT#13PHqI-uP ... 2Js9IBNkC8
And please stay tuned...
Very soon BIG update is coming,
And with so many players...e.g
if I'm not wrong: 41 engines !
And later...
This tour stats will be not so bad indicator
About comparing Eng Size / Performance!
Sure up to 25 MB (uncompressed) ...
By the way, if you are goıing to ask the
Overall size of current 41 players are
Close to 250 MB in compressed !!
And just imagine again...e.g there are
Such eng releases, I mean as single, but
They are much bigger in size than 41...
If not so clear, to see the reality..
You have to be in my shoes.. !)
A small note more, only for the current CS,
I downloaded/tested over than 70 engines!
Even not mentioning the opening books ..)
Ok friends...see you later )
And have a nice weekend...
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Breaking News (03.08.2024):
Just another exiting CS... but this time, as far as possible 3500+ played!
1st of all, it seems all stable..no any game is recorded to be lost on time!!
What's new? in LIV CS: there is a new rule: up to 25 MB (uncompressed)..
Moreover, exc some oldies..a lot of new vers. are entered but as main diff.
Via this CS...current participants are played under more 'fair' conditions !!
Why I say like that ? E.g in case of playing via HUGE assistance is not like
Climbing to mountain Everest )..in short: Come with 'small' data and win !)
On other hand, usually in our tours : there are no strict rules, many prefer
In tests something like 'Cage Fighting' but how much is this fair ?) At least
Via these cond. I've done my best a fair fight to be and strongest to win..!
Yes..this time, Berserk is said the last word but with clear margin, great!
Obsidian is 2nd..nice too, 3rd rank is SFS 100224 not so bad as well! but
To be honest, here I'm a little surprised..e.g usually SF ones are Winners..
And as I stated earlier, no one can be on Top forever, right ?) By the way,
We have a new Pocket Hercules: Starzix 5..yes, it's less than 2 MB), but
Performed very good... so once more we noticed that not only via Books,
Also via Engines, where the powerful moves may appear by very small
Players (in size) too! and as usual I wish to say: thanks for your interest..
NNUE LIV's Champion: Berserk 13 - My Congratulations to Jay Honnold!
For FULL Standings, Games etc:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-nn-cs-54
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Hello Chess Friends,
Meanwhile, I'd like to inform all of you also that
SCCT NN CS conditions are going to be changed!
In short, next future tours are planing to be played
Into 'SIZE'' CS Leagues, since 'NN size' matters a lot..!
Sure not always... but if I'm going to check in overall,
I admit that the well-tuned and larger Evalfiles play as
Significant role, with clear advantage over smaller ones!
Actually this is nothing new in SCCT..depending on tours,
Size rules used since a long time... besides for these
Reasons, the well-known sports Boxing, Wrestling etc.
Are organizing under 'Weight' categories.. right ?
In other words,
It's time for more frequent Fair Fight Battles !!
Btw, as other good example is recent organized LIV,
Where all Top engines used up to 25 MB Evalfiles!
But now, via the new size rules, more entries will
Participate too..otherwise there will be BIG miss!
And to be more clear, the planning new/future
SCCT NN tours will consist 3 (three) Leagues:
Small = Up to 25 MB
Medium = 26 - 60 MB
Large = 61 MB +
Note also that, soon as possible:
Medium and Large championships will be organized as well!
Small CS is already organized, so it's not required... at
Least for nowadays but later..in case of newer versions
Why not again...?!
And as final words, let Me say also this saying over, when
FAST, FAIR FIGHT, FUN, STABILITY, STRENGTH, TIME on scene,
The rest factors, influences etc. do not matter so much!
Of course I am talking for my side...not sure about you!?
FAST = Powerful, modern fast hardware
FAIR FIGHT = Playing in SIZE categories
FUN = Fast Bullet + Unique opening suite
STABILITY = No time loses, crashes etc.
STRENGTH = Mainly 3500+ Elo NN engines
TIME = Organizing frequent/many tours...
Best,
Sedat
Meanwhile, I'd like to inform all of you also that
SCCT NN CS conditions are going to be changed!
In short, next future tours are planing to be played
Into 'SIZE'' CS Leagues, since 'NN size' matters a lot..!
Sure not always... but if I'm going to check in overall,
I admit that the well-tuned and larger Evalfiles play as
Significant role, with clear advantage over smaller ones!
Actually this is nothing new in SCCT..depending on tours,
Size rules used since a long time... besides for these
Reasons, the well-known sports Boxing, Wrestling etc.
Are organizing under 'Weight' categories.. right ?
In other words,
It's time for more frequent Fair Fight Battles !!
Btw, as other good example is recent organized LIV,
Where all Top engines used up to 25 MB Evalfiles!
But now, via the new size rules, more entries will
Participate too..otherwise there will be BIG miss!
And to be more clear, the planning new/future
SCCT NN tours will consist 3 (three) Leagues:
Small = Up to 25 MB
Medium = 26 - 60 MB
Large = 61 MB +
Note also that, soon as possible:
Medium and Large championships will be organized as well!
Small CS is already organized, so it's not required... at
Least for nowadays but later..in case of newer versions
Why not again...?!
And as final words, let Me say also this saying over, when
FAST, FAIR FIGHT, FUN, STABILITY, STRENGTH, TIME on scene,
The rest factors, influences etc. do not matter so much!
Of course I am talking for my side...not sure about you!?
FAST = Powerful, modern fast hardware
FAIR FIGHT = Playing in SIZE categories
FUN = Fast Bullet + Unique opening suite
STABILITY = No time loses, crashes etc.
STRENGTH = Mainly 3500+ Elo NN engines
TIME = Organizing frequent/many tours...
Best,
Sedat
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UPDATE
Finely, I've managed to start the planning Medium CS (26 MB - 60 MB)
But I admit too SIZE CS are one of hardest tours that I ever organized...
Sure I'm referring for my side... at least I can say: a lot of details...
But just for Computer Chess's progress and it's ok...no any regret !)
If nothing else...now you have some info...that it's not so easy...
Actually if these tours were easy... everyone would run it, right ?
Current Leading Engine: SF Polyglot 15.1 - Congrats to Massimiliano Goi!
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Note: Same Evalfiles are not allowed in the official contest..
So another newer Candidate tour is organized, the target to
Determine the best/strongest via nn-c38c3d8d3920.nnue !
And Polyfish 070823 wins 'nn-c38c3d8d3920.nnue' tour,
Congratulations to Polyfish's author (Khalid Omar) !
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/CpITTDJC#qqtlrX-Lc ... x4gVMpsxCo
Note also that
I ran another test where CFishNN 260623 performed
Better/stronger than 2 (two) other Cfish eng versions..
And more updates soon )
Greetings
Finely, I've managed to start the planning Medium CS (26 MB - 60 MB)
But I admit too SIZE CS are one of hardest tours that I ever organized...
Sure I'm referring for my side... at least I can say: a lot of details...
But just for Computer Chess's progress and it's ok...no any regret !)
If nothing else...now you have some info...that it's not so easy...
Actually if these tours were easy... everyone would run it, right ?
Current Leading Engine: SF Polyglot 15.1 - Congrats to Massimiliano Goi!
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 SF Polyglot 15.1 96 42 78 63.5% 67.9%
2 Stockfish 220923 86 39 82 62.2% 70.7%
3 Genko 1.1 77 39 83 60.8% 71.1%
4 XTD 010723 72 36 83 60.2% 74.7%
5 LittleBeast 2 70 39 80 60.0% 72.5%
6 BlueMarlin 15.7 68 35 83 59.6% 75.9%
7 Yuliirma 2.1 64 37 82 59.1% 74.4%
8 Polyfish 070823 61 37 80 58.8% 75.0%
9 D. Blue 280623 56 36 81 58.0% 76.5%
10 Raubfisch X48e 52 35 81 57.4% 77.8%
11 Zeus 26.5 51 36 82 57.3% 75.6%
12 Brainlearn 25.2 51 34 83 57.2% 78.3%
13 Fisherov M 1.2 39 37 80 55.6% 76.3%
14 Honey v14.1.01 34 41 81 54.9% 70.4%
15 CFishNN 260623 17 45 81 52.5% 65.4%
16 K. Dragon 3.3 0 39 79 50.0% 74.7%
17 Fat Fritz 2 -60 45 82 41.5% 63.4%
18 Revenge 3.0 -130 50 81 32.1% 54.3%
19 Igel 3.5.0 -146 56 78 30.1% 47.4%
20 Arasan 24.2.2 -197 59 82 24.4% 41.5%
21 Booot 7.3 -217 60 83 22.3% 39.8%
22 Black Marlin 9.0 -218 68 81 22.2% 32.1%
893 of 11088 games finished.Note: Same Evalfiles are not allowed in the official contest..
So another newer Candidate tour is organized, the target to
Determine the best/strongest via nn-c38c3d8d3920.nnue !
And Polyfish 070823 wins 'nn-c38c3d8d3920.nnue' tour,
Congratulations to Polyfish's author (Khalid Omar) !
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1 Polyfish 070823 273.5/528
2 SF-PB 030923 271.5/528
3 RapTora 3.0 270.5/528
4 SF-POLY 220723 268.5/528
5 Corchess 240823 265.0/528
6 ProteusSF Aureo 259.5/528
7 CatroP 310723 239.5/528https://mega.nz/file/CpITTDJC#qqtlrX-Lc ... x4gVMpsxCo
Note also that
I ran another test where CFishNN 260623 performed
Better/stronger than 2 (two) other Cfish eng versions..
And more updates soon )
Greetings
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UPDATE 2
Top standings changed..it seems hard to guess what will be next ranks..
Current Leading Engine: Stockfish 220923 - Congratulations to SF team!
Top standings changed..it seems hard to guess what will be next ranks..
Current Leading Engine: Stockfish 220923 - Congratulations to SF team!
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 Stockfish 220923 83 17 420 61.8% 72.1%
2 Yuliirma 2.1 81 17 422 61.5% 70.9%
3 Brainlearn 25.2 81 16 419 61.5% 72.8%
4 Polyfish 070823 77 16 419 60.9% 73.5%
5 XTD 010723 74 17 420 60.5% 72.4%
6 SF Polyglot 15.1 70 17 418 59.9% 71.5%
7 Zeus 26.5 69 17 418 59.8% 72.2%
8 Genko 1.1 68 17 419 59.7% 73.0%
9 BlueMarlin 15.7 65 17 421 59.3% 71.5%
10 D. Blue 280623 65 17 419 59.2% 71.6%
11 LittleBeast 2 59 15 417 58.4% 77.5%
12 Fisherov M 1.2 45 16 418 56.5% 74.6%
13 Raubfisch X48e 42 16 420 56.1% 75.0%
14 Honey v14.1.01 41 19 418 55.9% 67.7%
15 K. Dragon 3.3 14 18 419 52.0% 71.1%
16 CFishNN 260623 4 20 419 50.6% 64.9%
17 Fat Fritz 2 -63 21 419 41.1% 60.6%
18 Igel 3.5.0 -150 24 418 29.7% 48.8%
19 Revenge 3.0 -168 25 417 27.6% 44.1%
20 Black Marlin 9.0 -199 26 421 24.1% 40.1%
21 Arasan 24.2.2 -203 26 419 23.7% 40.3%
22 Booot 7.3 -234 27 422 20.6% 37.0%
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Breaking News (06.08.2024):
NNUE Size CS are still on... but this time, as players are 26 MB - 60 MB
Unfortunately in this league: not all of the Top engines are so stable..sad
For example, there are 31 games lost on time, mainly by Revenge 3 and
Black Marlin 9, sure for accurate standings: I replayed those lost games..
But anyhow, in case of interest..I've included them in download package..
You know.. no one's work is perfect, but however I suggest more serious
And various trainings, tests etc (before final releases) thanks in advance
On other hand, almost all rest engines are stable under these conditions!
While I was mentioning about the stability) I should not forget to mention
The strong performance by Stockfish, Polyfish, Brainlearn etc...nice! Sure
Many of current entries are old-dated, but quite new eng versions will be
In next planing Large Size CS e.g it will consist mainly 2024 releases and
The planing CS will be organized soon as possible so please stay tuned )
NN Medium Size I's Champion: Stockfish - Congratulations to SF Team!
For FULL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... edium-cs-1
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/u4pDgARZ#HjV1x8jph ... HybWfcHs2A
Best,
Sedat
NNUE Size CS are still on... but this time, as players are 26 MB - 60 MB
Unfortunately in this league: not all of the Top engines are so stable..sad
For example, there are 31 games lost on time, mainly by Revenge 3 and
Black Marlin 9, sure for accurate standings: I replayed those lost games..
But anyhow, in case of interest..I've included them in download package..
You know.. no one's work is perfect, but however I suggest more serious
And various trainings, tests etc (before final releases) thanks in advance
On other hand, almost all rest engines are stable under these conditions!
While I was mentioning about the stability) I should not forget to mention
The strong performance by Stockfish, Polyfish, Brainlearn etc...nice! Sure
Many of current entries are old-dated, but quite new eng versions will be
In next planing Large Size CS e.g it will consist mainly 2024 releases and
The planing CS will be organized soon as possible so please stay tuned )
NN Medium Size I's Champion: Stockfish - Congratulations to SF Team!
For FULL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... edium-cs-1
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/u4pDgARZ#HjV1x8jph ... HybWfcHs2A
Best,
Sedat
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Helle there )
As usually, I'm very pleased to announce that,
NNUE Candidate (Large Size) CS I is organized!
Actually even official contest is almost over..
Btw, in case of interest to submit, please read carefully:
- Per tour: 1 (one) public engine by same author is allowed
- Engines with same kind of evalfiles are not allowed, exc.
In case, via Candidate CS: the qualified player will be in..
- Unknown SF-based evalfiles are not allowed..for reference,
Simply will be used: https://tests.stockfishchess.org/nns
And here are Candidate (Large Size) CS I's results:
Congratulations to all, who managed to qualify...!
nn-31337bea577c.nnue: Corchess 040824 is the qualified player!
And as we see,
The latest Corchess ver. fully deserves to be in...right ?
nn-ddcfb9224cdb.nnue: Kookaburra 3 is the qualified player!
Here I admit that Kookaburra's performance is unbelievable!!
Sure I wonder too what kind of 'secrets' include Kokoburra?
Note also that
I checked several times regarding 1 Core etc. used or not...!
And be sure all of entries are played under same conditions..
nn-baff1edbea57.nnue: ShashChess 35.3 is the qualified player!
CSTal vs Rebel: CSTal 2.0.0 is the qualified player!
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/n0JFXQxa#3lVsOvMZ0 ... x2mfCBob7U
Best,
Sedat
As usually, I'm very pleased to announce that,
NNUE Candidate (Large Size) CS I is organized!
Actually even official contest is almost over..
Btw, in case of interest to submit, please read carefully:
- Per tour: 1 (one) public engine by same author is allowed
- Engines with same kind of evalfiles are not allowed, exc.
In case, via Candidate CS: the qualified player will be in..
- Unknown SF-based evalfiles are not allowed..for reference,
Simply will be used: https://tests.stockfishchess.org/nns
And here are Candidate (Large Size) CS I's results:
Congratulations to all, who managed to qualify...!
nn-31337bea577c.nnue: Corchess 040824 is the qualified player!
And as we see,
The latest Corchess ver. fully deserves to be in...right ?
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1 Corchess 040824 126.0 - 124.0127.5 - 122.5** 253.5/500
2 Stockfish 030824 124.0 - 126.0126.0 - 124.0 ** 250.0/500
3 SF-PB 230724 122.5 - 127.5124.0 - 126.0 ** 246.5/500nn-ddcfb9224cdb.nnue: Kookaburra 3 is the qualified player!
Here I admit that Kookaburra's performance is unbelievable!!
Sure I wonder too what kind of 'secrets' include Kokoburra?
Note also that
I checked several times regarding 1 Core etc. used or not...!
And be sure all of entries are played under same conditions..
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1 Kookaburra 3 +39/-17/=444 52.20% 261.0/500
2 Killfish 280624 +17/-39/=444 47.80% 239.0/500nn-baff1edbea57.nnue: ShashChess 35.3 is the qualified player!
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1 ShashChess 35.3 +8/-6/=186 50.50% 101.0/200
2 Brainlearn 28.1 +6/-8/=186 49.50% 99.0/200CSTal vs Rebel: CSTal 2.0.0 is the qualified player!
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1 CSTal 2.0.0 +28/-10/=162 54.50% 109.0/200
2 Rebel 16.3 +10/-28/=162 45.50% 91.0/200https://mega.nz/file/n0JFXQxa#3lVsOvMZ0 ... x2mfCBob7U
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Breaking News (07.08.2024):
Well, NN Large Size (61 MB+) CS organized too...as players are picked
As far as possible 3700+ Elo e.g Minic 3.41 is tested too, but out due to
It's much weaker than current players..yes, Kookaburra is performed as
Real 'BEAST'' under these conditions! Unstoppable at least for nowadays!
And exception that managed as Number One again..besides, eliminated
Other very strong opponent (Killfish) during the Candidates CS, moreover
Kookaburra 3 is not so so new release.and it seems powerful moves may
Appear by older engines too, 2nd place: Stockfish dev..nice, where 3rd:
Marauders.. not bad as well..On other hand, after checking current stats,
It's clear all stable.. no any game to be lost on time in short, just great..
Btw, you may notice or not Small Size CS's Draws are 55% Medium: 65%
Large Size CS: 77%...in same that means Unique suite is more Drawish
Via Larger + Stronger NN data.. but I'm satisfied..and I assume you too?
Ok friends that's all for now, many thanks and congrats to all Eng Authors!
NN Large Size I's Champion: Kookaburra 3 - My Congratulations to Dorzs!
Note: exactly same Kookaburra vers managed to be Champ in older tours!
For FINAL / FULL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -size-cs-1
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/3pBDwBRB#wEdCaz__m ... hMDfBlIDRg
Best,
Sedat
Well, NN Large Size (61 MB+) CS organized too...as players are picked
As far as possible 3700+ Elo e.g Minic 3.41 is tested too, but out due to
It's much weaker than current players..yes, Kookaburra is performed as
Real 'BEAST'' under these conditions! Unstoppable at least for nowadays!
And exception that managed as Number One again..besides, eliminated
Other very strong opponent (Killfish) during the Candidates CS, moreover
Kookaburra 3 is not so so new release.and it seems powerful moves may
Appear by older engines too, 2nd place: Stockfish dev..nice, where 3rd:
Marauders.. not bad as well..On other hand, after checking current stats,
It's clear all stable.. no any game to be lost on time in short, just great..
Btw, you may notice or not Small Size CS's Draws are 55% Medium: 65%
Large Size CS: 77%...in same that means Unique suite is more Drawish
Via Larger + Stronger NN data.. but I'm satisfied..and I assume you too?
Ok friends that's all for now, many thanks and congrats to all Eng Authors!
NN Large Size I's Champion: Kookaburra 3 - My Congratulations to Dorzs!
Note: exactly same Kookaburra vers managed to be Champ in older tours!
For FINAL / FULL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -size-cs-1
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/3pBDwBRB#wEdCaz__m ... hMDfBlIDRg
Best,
Sedat